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It's, still true, every other windows release is shitty. Just look at them: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 10, Windows 11.

bonton89 2y ago
Windows 11 is only marginally worse than the baseline terrible set by 10. They screwed up the UI again and continued gradually ratcheting up Microsoft account requirements and new ads. If 11 hadn't have been released the later items would have just come to Windows 10 in the form of a feature update. 10 was full of spyware from the outset but for some reason people argue that it is better than 11 in this regard in a weird bit of revisionist history. The biggest problem with Windows 11 is it dumps hardware support for anything remotely old.
- ChoGGi 2y ago
  10 is manageably terrible, but moving most stuff to the new control panel is annoying to say the least. If you use an alternate shell then you get an error msg as it expects explorer/start menu.
JohnFen 2y ago
Personally, I think Windows 10 is the exception to this pattern. I don't think that it counts as a "good" release -- it just got rid of a couple of the more horrific aspects of 8. That said, I haven't been forced to use it yet, but it does look like Win 11 will be even worse than 10.
- bluescrn 2y ago
  After Win8 and it's attempt to push a locked-down touch-centric mobile OS upon users of a 'real Windows', Win10 was 'more than good enough'. A lot of the unwanted parts of Win8 lived on, but they could mostly be ignored, they weren't aggressively shoved into your face
- satiric 2y ago
  Agreed. Back when windows 10 was out, 8.1 was considered a good release and 10 was considered a bad release. Now 10 has suddenly become good somehow, and 8.1has been lumped in with 8.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    I don't personally know anyone who considered 8.1 to be a good release. It was welcome because it did blunt a couple of the more egregious sharp edges of 8, but that doesn't mean it was anywhere near good.
    - satiric 2y ago
      Agreed. But people hated 10 more than 8.1, so they labeled 10 as a bad release and 8.1 as a good release so that the pattern could fit. Now that people hate 11 more than 10, people say that 10 was good so that the pattern can fit.

bonton89 2y ago

Windows 11 is only marginally worse than the baseline terrible set by 10. They screwed up the UI again and continued gradually ratcheting up Microsoft account requirements and new ads. If 11 hadn't have been released the later items would have just come to Windows 10 in the form of a feature update. 10 was full of spyware from the outset but for some reason people argue that it is better than 11 in this regard in a weird bit of revisionist history. The biggest problem with Windows 11 is it dumps hardware support for anything remotely old.

ChoGGi 2y ago
10 is manageably terrible, but moving most stuff to the new control panel is annoying to say the least. If you use an alternate shell then you get an error msg as it expects explorer/start menu.

JohnFen 2y ago

Personally, I think Windows 10 is the exception to this pattern. I don't think that it counts as a "good" release -- it just got rid of a couple of the more horrific aspects of 8. That said, I haven't been forced to use it yet, but it does look like Win 11 will be even worse than 10.

bluescrn 2y ago
After Win8 and it's attempt to push a locked-down touch-centric mobile OS upon users of a 'real Windows', Win10 was 'more than good enough'. A lot of the unwanted parts of Win8 lived on, but they could mostly be ignored, they weren't aggressively shoved into your face
satiric 2y ago
Agreed. Back when windows 10 was out, 8.1 was considered a good release and 10 was considered a bad release. Now 10 has suddenly become good somehow, and 8.1has been lumped in with 8.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  I don't personally know anyone who considered 8.1 to be a good release. It was welcome because it did blunt a couple of the more egregious sharp edges of 8, but that doesn't mean it was anywhere near good.
  - satiric 2y ago
    Agreed. But people hated 10 more than 8.1, so they labeled 10 as a bad release and 8.1 as a good release so that the pattern could fit. Now that people hate 11 more than 10, people say that 10 was good so that the pattern can fit.