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Only if it can't do voice cloning. Normally I find the AI ethics people insufferable but I do think that good voice cloning tech will do much more harm than goo

Only if it can't do voice cloning. Normally I find the AI ethics people insufferable but I do think that good voice cloning tech will do much more harm than good.

JoshTriplett 3y ago
Might be a good idea to consider generalizing, and recognizing that if you find them to be correct on a particular topic, that should update your opinion on the potential correctness of other related positions. What positions do you think it's most likely that in a few years you might consider correct?
- snapcaster 3y ago
  I think I correctly recognize who my enemies are (OpenAI and the small set of people who think they're the only capable stewards of AI). People allying themselves with the OpenAI/AI-safety folks are allying themselves with our enemies and regardless of the merit of their arguments in some philosophical sense I will oppose everything they do
  - JoshTriplett 3y ago
    > the small set of people who think they're the only capable stewards of AI You're mistaking one group of people for another. I'm talking about the set of people who think that nobody is a capable steward of AI, and thus that we should not develop its capabilities further until they're proven safe (and I mean "proven" very literally, not figuratively).
    - snapcaster 3y ago
      These people will end up helping regulatory capture regardless (since they're too big of cowards to do what would be required to actually stop AI development)
      - JoshTriplett 3y ago
        That's certainly a new accusation I've never heard before. Why do you assume that?
        snapcaster 3y ago
        What do you think harping about AI safety and x-risk is going to lead to? You think it will actually result in banning of frontier model training? It's going to result in "sensible regulation" being passed that means only massive corporations will control all the keys to the kingdom in AI
        JoshTriplett 3y ago
        That seems like a description of what governments are currently willing to do, rather than a description of what AI alignment/safety advocates are arguing for.
- sebzim4500 3y ago
  It's not like I used to disagree with them on this issue and then changed my mind.
jilijeanlouis 3y ago
I think if they open source the model people will find ways to fork it to clone anyways.

Only if it can't do voice cloning. Normally I find the AI ethics people insufferable but I do think that good voice cloning tech will do much more harm than good.

JoshTriplett 3y ago

Might be a good idea to consider generalizing, and recognizing that if you find them to be correct on a particular topic, that should update your opinion on the potential correctness of other related positions. What positions do you think it's most likely that in a few years you might consider correct?

snapcaster 3y ago
I think I correctly recognize who my enemies are (OpenAI and the small set of people who think they're the only capable stewards of AI). People allying themselves with the OpenAI/AI-safety folks are allying themselves with our enemies and regardless of the merit of their arguments in some philosophical sense I will oppose everything they do
- JoshTriplett 3y ago
  > the small set of people who think they're the only capable stewards of AI You're mistaking one group of people for another. I'm talking about the set of people who think that nobody is a capable steward of AI, and thus that we should not develop its capabilities further until they're proven safe (and I mean "proven" very literally, not figuratively).
  - snapcaster 3y ago
    These people will end up helping regulatory capture regardless (since they're too big of cowards to do what would be required to actually stop AI development)
    - JoshTriplett 3y ago
      That's certainly a new accusation I've never heard before. Why do you assume that?
      - snapcaster 3y ago
        What do you think harping about AI safety and x-risk is going to lead to? You think it will actually result in banning of frontier model training? It's going to result in "sensible regulation" being passed that means only massive corporations will control all the keys to the kingdom in AI
        JoshTriplett 3y ago
        That seems like a description of what governments are currently willing to do, rather than a description of what AI alignment/safety advocates are arguing for.
sebzim4500 3y ago
It's not like I used to disagree with them on this issue and then changed my mind.

jilijeanlouis 3y ago

I think if they open source the model people will find ways to fork it to clone anyways.