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Bad trip-haver here. As a youth I was a moderate enthusiast for psychedelics (back when the goal was good clean fun, ie not spiritual enlightenment, cure for d

Bad trip-haver here. As a youth I was a moderate enthusiast for psychedelics (back when the goal was good clean fun, ie not spiritual enlightenment, cure for depression or modern mindfulness dingaling) but trust me, friends - you do not want an event like this in your life. Not even once. I am glad there’s some pushback against the current wave of blithe and frankly under-researched psychedelics-as-panacea crowd.

bowsamic 2y ago
I agree, it can make your life completely hell, for years
jajko 2y ago
It is a mighty tool and I stand by it, but it should be done only by balanced folks, at least initially under supervision. The rest is russian roulette with your own mental health, not the smartest move even if it helped few. Maybe with professional supervision this can be managed, but I think that should be reserved only for serious cases when other treatments doesn't work / has massive side effects. Now who is balanced and who is not is a topic on its own, but I am pretty sure psychologists can cca handle this in same way they handle ie gun licenses in any sane country. Generally fucked up childhood is pretty sure indicator of massive imbalance and issues, just dig deep enough. Family history is sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. Even just broken/missing father figure while rest is cca OK messes up everybody affected in negative way. And there are so many folks like these. For some reason I didn't have many of those when growing up, but I've sobered up when I moved around, ie in competitive corporate sphere there are more folks with something like that than without, and the higher you go in power pyramid the worse it gets.
- giraffe_lady 2y ago
  shit man now they're telling us even the fun drugs are for people who had happy rich childhoods?
  - jajko 2y ago
    I don't think money comes into play, good people do raise kids well despite lack of funds. I was raised dirt poor, in messed up communism which punished my parents for studying universities (smart = enemy of the state, very typical for russian oppressors), but they didn't put any major issue into me as a child. Another case point - a friend of mine teaches small kids of many rich & powerful people in Geneva, Switzerland. Many, in some school years most of them are broken even in young age, ie self-harm, aggressive, lazy. But daddy has 7 lambos and ferraris in the garage. Many stories like this. Good people with wealth make great parents, but so do poor good folks. As for happy part, yes definitely. Do your own stuff, its just your life and nobody else in this world actually cares enough beyond few shallow words, but risks are there and they are real. Fixing issues at source before doing the most extreme stuff with your mind is more than advisable.
pookha 2y ago
When I was a youth I was given PAXIL by a corrupt psychiatrist that had gotten paid off by a highly dubious pharmaceutical company that would later get sued for fraud by the US government. Their published research was horseshit (they manipulated their studies) and their snake oil probably resulted in the deaths of scores of youth. I wish I was connected enough -- socially -- to have good-clean-fun vs being put through a ringer and it does appear that -- at the very leaset -- microdosing mushrooms isn't associated with massive upticks in suicide.

bowsamic 2y ago

I agree, it can make your life completely hell, for years

jajko 2y ago

It is a mighty tool and I stand by it, but it should be done only by balanced folks, at least initially under supervision. The rest is russian roulette with your own mental health, not the smartest move even if it helped few. Maybe with professional supervision this can be managed, but I think that should be reserved only for serious cases when other treatments doesn't work / has massive side effects. Now who is balanced and who is not is a topic on its own, but I am pretty sure psychologists can cca handle this in same way they handle ie gun licenses in any sane country. Generally fucked up childhood is pretty sure indicator of massive imbalance and issues, just dig deep enough. Family history is sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. Even just broken/missing father figure while rest is cca OK messes up everybody affected in negative way. And there are so many folks like these. For some reason I didn't have many of those when growing up, but I've sobered up when I moved around, ie in competitive corporate sphere there are more folks with something like that than without, and the higher you go in power pyramid the worse it gets.

giraffe_lady 2y ago
shit man now they're telling us even the fun drugs are for people who had happy rich childhoods?
- jajko 2y ago
  I don't think money comes into play, good people do raise kids well despite lack of funds. I was raised dirt poor, in messed up communism which punished my parents for studying universities (smart = enemy of the state, very typical for russian oppressors), but they didn't put any major issue into me as a child. Another case point - a friend of mine teaches small kids of many rich & powerful people in Geneva, Switzerland. Many, in some school years most of them are broken even in young age, ie self-harm, aggressive, lazy. But daddy has 7 lambos and ferraris in the garage. Many stories like this. Good people with wealth make great parents, but so do poor good folks. As for happy part, yes definitely. Do your own stuff, its just your life and nobody else in this world actually cares enough beyond few shallow words, but risks are there and they are real. Fixing issues at source before doing the most extreme stuff with your mind is more than advisable.

pookha 2y ago

When I was a youth I was given PAXIL by a corrupt psychiatrist that had gotten paid off by a highly dubious pharmaceutical company that would later get sued for fraud by the US government. Their published research was horseshit (they manipulated their studies) and their snake oil probably resulted in the deaths of scores of youth. I wish I was connected enough -- socially -- to have good-clean-fun vs being put through a ringer and it does appear that -- at the very leaset -- microdosing mushrooms isn't associated with massive upticks in suicide.