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Doesn't help. I know for a fact I won't buy one while he's still CEO. But the delayed purchase has given me time to reflect. I'm in a city and have simply mov

Doesn't help. I know for a fact I won't buy one while he's still CEO. But the delayed purchase has given me time to reflect. I'm in a city and have simply moved beyond wanting a new car. I've embraced tuning and maintaining my current vehicle and using it very rarely. Lower insurance, more satisfaction. I've just purchased (very cheaply) another classic car just fool around with and restore. I'll bet my net carbon emissions and costs are an "order of magnitude" less than buying any damned Tesla. And I'm enjoying learning new skills and ... it becomes almost creating a new art piece. So, I'll say, thanks Elon ... for ensuring you delayed my purchase enough for me to open my eyes to something better.

leereeves 2y ago
> I'll bet my net carbon emissions and costs are an "order of magnitude" less than buying any damned Tesla. Ars did that analysis and concluded that "In two years, the EV will have caught up to the used car in terms of ecological footprint". After that, the EV is much better for the environment. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/04/new-ev-vs-old-beater-which-is-better-for-the-environment/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/04/new-ev-vs-old-beater-wh... In light of that, and their distaste for Elon, Democrats face a tough choice. Do they care more about the culture wars or climate change?
- lycopodiopsida 2y ago
  > In light of that, and their distaste for Elon, Democrats face a tough choice. Do they care more about the culture wars or climate change? You can do both and buy an EV from another manufacturer. Placed an order for VW Id.7 days ago, would not even consider Tesla until they fire Elon.
- LightBug1 2y ago
  Interesting, but slightly different scenario. As said, I've mostly transitioned away from using cars completely. I keep a couple at home. One to obsess over and restore. One if I absolutely need one. No way any EV is catching up with that. And as someone else said, the alternatives are compelling enough now for me not to have to choose Tesla should the time come. To me, the ioniq 5 looks better than any car Tesla ever produced. In the right colour combo, it's gorgeous. Anyway, that's moot at the moment ...
tim333 2y ago
Also in a city and own a petrol car I don't drive much. I have recently bought an e bike and they are great fun and pretty good for getting around. Fun facts. - Lower CO2 emissions per mile than any other transport apparently including walking and pedal cycling - humans eating food to cycle emit more it seems. Not that it's necessarily more environmentally friendly as you have batteries to deal with but even so it's good. - Probably the fastest way of getting around central London. On google maps bikes usually beat cars and tube and ebikes tend to go faster than regular ones. I'm not sure how long it will last before been stolen but it cost me about the same as two tanks of gas for the car (second hand).
- LightBug1 2y ago
  You've just reminded me to get back into cycling! Thanks
  - tim333 2y ago
    Now worries. I'd recommend checking the ebike version. On my regular bike I'd tend to arrive hot and sweaty but on an ebike you can turn up the assist for the last five mins say.

leereeves 2y ago

> I'll bet my net carbon emissions and costs are an "order of magnitude" less than buying any damned Tesla. Ars did that analysis and concluded that "In two years, the EV will have caught up to the used car in terms of ecological footprint". After that, the EV is much better for the environment. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/04/new-ev-vs-old-beater-which-is-better-for-the-environment/ https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/04/new-ev-vs-old-beater-wh... In light of that, and their distaste for Elon, Democrats face a tough choice. Do they care more about the culture wars or climate change?

lycopodiopsida 2y ago
> In light of that, and their distaste for Elon, Democrats face a tough choice. Do they care more about the culture wars or climate change? You can do both and buy an EV from another manufacturer. Placed an order for VW Id.7 days ago, would not even consider Tesla until they fire Elon.
LightBug1 2y ago
Interesting, but slightly different scenario. As said, I've mostly transitioned away from using cars completely. I keep a couple at home. One to obsess over and restore. One if I absolutely need one. No way any EV is catching up with that. And as someone else said, the alternatives are compelling enough now for me not to have to choose Tesla should the time come. To me, the ioniq 5 looks better than any car Tesla ever produced. In the right colour combo, it's gorgeous. Anyway, that's moot at the moment ...

tim333 2y ago

Also in a city and own a petrol car I don't drive much. I have recently bought an e bike and they are great fun and pretty good for getting around. Fun facts. - Lower CO2 emissions per mile than any other transport apparently including walking and pedal cycling - humans eating food to cycle emit more it seems. Not that it's necessarily more environmentally friendly as you have batteries to deal with but even so it's good. - Probably the fastest way of getting around central London. On google maps bikes usually beat cars and tube and ebikes tend to go faster than regular ones. I'm not sure how long it will last before been stolen but it cost me about the same as two tanks of gas for the car (second hand).

LightBug1 2y ago
You've just reminded me to get back into cycling! Thanks
- tim333 2y ago
  Now worries. I'd recommend checking the ebike version. On my regular bike I'd tend to arrive hot and sweaty but on an ebike you can turn up the assist for the last five mins say.