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Every item in my house is produced by this so-called enemy state.

SOLAR_FIELDS 2y ago
I am not saying I agree with grandparent, but I would like to point out that both your statement and grandparents statement could simultaneously be true with zero conflict between the two
- likeclockwork 2y ago
  I'm just saying it's a bit late to start raving about "enemy state" influence after they outsourced the manufacturing capacity of the entire country to it.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    The capacity is actually pretty close between the US and China https://www.brookings.edu/articles/global-manufacturing-scorecard-how-the-us-compares-to-18-other-nations/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/global-manufacturing-scor... The difference is largely in the products produced, for example, no one is building anything close to the F-35, which is a significant export for the US. > America is a manufacturing superpower: Of the 22 manufacturing categories tracked by the U.N., the U.S. ranked first in six categories and second in 13 others, underscoring the breadth and competitiveness of American manufacturing. In only three sectors—apparel, motor vehicles and leather—did the U.S. fail to rank either first or second. From: https://www.barrons.com/articles/china-manufacturing-semiconductor-electronics-us-competition-51661894538 https://www.barrons.com/articles/china-manufacturing-semicon... If we move beyond the US vs China to the West vs Authoritarians, the comparison becomes dominating
tivert 2y ago
> Every item in my house is produced by this so-called enemy state. Because Americans have been foolish and short sighted. So then they're presented with a choice: continue making the mistake or take the difficult steps to attempt to correct it.
- likeclockwork 2y ago
  Sounds nice to say "Americans" did this, to socialize accountability, like this was some democratic decision and not the product of corporations having no loyalty to anyone or anything.
  - tivert 2y ago
    It's definitely "Americans" that did this. It came from the hubris of seeing the Soviet Union fall and deceiving ourselves that we were living in some capitalist liberal democratic end of history and letting the political system make decisions to match. And frankly, attempting to not "socialize accountability" and instead pin the blame on some othered corporations would have the effect of fostering a helpless outlook in the face of those corporations. IMHO, the way forward is to realize the collective mistake and fuck those corporations good and hard as part of the correction (e.g. lets make an example of Apple).

I am not saying I agree with grandparent, but I would like to point out that both your statement and grandparents statement could simultaneously be true with zero conflict between the two

likeclockwork 2y ago
I'm just saying it's a bit late to start raving about "enemy state" influence after they outsourced the manufacturing capacity of the entire country to it.
- verdverm 2y ago
  The capacity is actually pretty close between the US and China https://www.brookings.edu/articles/global-manufacturing-scorecard-how-the-us-compares-to-18-other-nations/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/global-manufacturing-scor... The difference is largely in the products produced, for example, no one is building anything close to the F-35, which is a significant export for the US. > America is a manufacturing superpower: Of the 22 manufacturing categories tracked by the U.N., the U.S. ranked first in six categories and second in 13 others, underscoring the breadth and competitiveness of American manufacturing. In only three sectors—apparel, motor vehicles and leather—did the U.S. fail to rank either first or second. From: https://www.barrons.com/articles/china-manufacturing-semiconductor-electronics-us-competition-51661894538 https://www.barrons.com/articles/china-manufacturing-semicon... If we move beyond the US vs China to the West vs Authoritarians, the comparison becomes dominating

tivert 2y ago

> Every item in my house is produced by this so-called enemy state. Because Americans have been foolish and short sighted. So then they're presented with a choice: continue making the mistake or take the difficult steps to attempt to correct it.

likeclockwork 2y ago
Sounds nice to say "Americans" did this, to socialize accountability, like this was some democratic decision and not the product of corporations having no loyalty to anyone or anything.
- tivert 2y ago
  It's definitely "Americans" that did this. It came from the hubris of seeing the Soviet Union fall and deceiving ourselves that we were living in some capitalist liberal democratic end of history and letting the political system make decisions to match. And frankly, attempting to not "socialize accountability" and instead pin the blame on some othered corporations would have the effect of fostering a helpless outlook in the face of those corporations. IMHO, the way forward is to realize the collective mistake and fuck those corporations good and hard as part of the correction (e.g. lets make an example of Apple).