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Let's start with replacing Google. Count me in. While DDG, Brave, Kagi etc are working generously to replace Google search. The other areas that I think get le

Let's start with replacing Google. Count me in. While DDG, Brave, Kagi etc are working generously to replace Google search. The other areas that I think get less attention and needs to be targeted to successfully dismantle them and their predatory practices are Google maps and Google docs. Maps are hard because it requires a lot of resources and money and whatever but replacing docs should be relatively easier.

disqard 2y ago
(paid user of Kagi here) FWIW, Kagi is built on top of Google search, so yes it's "replacing" (for you and me) a dependence on Google search, but it is categorically not a from-the-ground-up replacement for Google search.
- ninjaa 2y ago
  Oh that's pretty smart
jaynate 2y ago
Using OSS to commoditize complements plays a big role in breaking up big advantages. There is big tech open source consortium working on maps now to commoditize it: https://siliconangle.com/2022/12/15/aws-microsoft-meta-tomtom-launch-open-map-data-consortium/ https://siliconangle.com/2022/12/15/aws-microsoft-meta-tomto... Not sure it'll work. I think half the advantage comes from the integration across all these tools (maps, search, etc). Have you ever tried to use duckduckgo? It surprised me what I take for granted in Google's user experience.
- atif089 2y ago
  I wholeheatedly agree with you. The GMaps experience is vastly superior. Additionally, when I'm referring to Gmaps, I think one of the critical features that I would love to replace with Open Source is Places. With due respect, I find both Google and Yelp a*holes in this area. While OpenStreetMap is really good for mapping, I'm still looking to find(or create) somethign that can supplement OSM with Places/Business data.
verzali 2y ago
OpenStreetMaps is pretty decent, and I find it better than Google Maps in most cases.
barfbagginus 2y ago
What does a zero cost / zero IP / cooperative model of a Google killer look like? It can't have ads, and it can't hide any knowledge that exists which could help the user.. even if the knowledge is proprietary. It must repeal copyright laws by force. It must drain all silos and know all things. And it must utilize the entirety of the library Genesis.

disqard 2y ago

(paid user of Kagi here) FWIW, Kagi is built on top of Google search, so yes it's "replacing" (for you and me) a dependence on Google search, but it is categorically not a from-the-ground-up replacement for Google search.

ninjaa 2y ago
Oh that's pretty smart

jaynate 2y ago

Using OSS to commoditize complements plays a big role in breaking up big advantages. There is big tech open source consortium working on maps now to commoditize it: https://siliconangle.com/2022/12/15/aws-microsoft-meta-tomtom-launch-open-map-data-consortium/ https://siliconangle.com/2022/12/15/aws-microsoft-meta-tomto... Not sure it'll work. I think half the advantage comes from the integration across all these tools (maps, search, etc). Have you ever tried to use duckduckgo? It surprised me what I take for granted in Google's user experience.

atif089 2y ago
I wholeheatedly agree with you. The GMaps experience is vastly superior. Additionally, when I'm referring to Gmaps, I think one of the critical features that I would love to replace with Open Source is Places. With due respect, I find both Google and Yelp a*holes in this area. While OpenStreetMap is really good for mapping, I'm still looking to find(or create) somethign that can supplement OSM with Places/Business data.

verzali 2y ago

OpenStreetMaps is pretty decent, and I find it better than Google Maps in most cases.

barfbagginus 2y ago

What does a zero cost / zero IP / cooperative model of a Google killer look like? It can't have ads, and it can't hide any knowledge that exists which could help the user.. even if the knowledge is proprietary. It must repeal copyright laws by force. It must drain all silos and know all things. And it must utilize the entirety of the library Genesis.