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Wasn't the value of centos that it was bug-yor-bug compatible with RHEL but without the license fee requirement?

by growse 3y ago

dralley 3y ago
>bug-yor-bug compatible with RHEL It was never quite that, but that was the theory. The problem is because it was an exact clone of RHEL, it's somewhere between difficult and impossible to have a proper community around it. Like I said it kind of revolved around "file a bug to Red Hat, wait for someone to pick it up, and then wait more for it to be shipped, which will be months away at best and could be years if it's not a paying customer's priority"
- yencabulator 3y ago
  What I've seen people use CentOS for is testing a product intended to run on RHEL. For that, CentOS didn't need a separate community, and bugfixing at a pace different from RHEL would have been actively undesirable.
  - dralley 3y ago
    For that purpose, RHEL is completely free to begin with
    - mattl 3y ago
      Yeah RHEL has had a gratis developer license from their website for maybe a decade now? Before that I would pay $49 a year for it.
      - yencabulator 3y ago
        As far as I understand, you still need to connect to the Red Hat license server, and you're limited to 16 machines. That's just stupidly unsuitable for a CI worker pool of hundreds of VMs being created from scratch for every run.
        mattl 3y ago
        Yeah that’s something they’d want you to pay for. I totally get why CentOS was useful. I was briefly involved with Rocky when it first was getting started.
        bonzini 3y ago
        If you do pay for RHEL you can have free non production subscriptions. Of course it's probably suspicious to pay for 1 production and 20000 testing servers, but it's pretty good if you are too small to negotiate an unlimited-machine subscription and you want to use RHEL in production. https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/07/06/what-qualifies-red-hat-developer-subscription-teams https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/07/06/what-quali...
    - op00to 2y ago
      Not for production purposes.
      - dralley 2y ago
        OP was talking about testing purposes. But RHEL is free for limited production purposes also, to a maximum of 16 systems. https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-hat-introduces-free-rhel-for-small-production-workloads-development-teams/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-hat-introduces-free-rhel-f...

Wasn't the value of centos that it was bug-yor-bug compatible with RHEL but without the license fee requirement?

by growse 3y ago

Wasn't the value of centos that it was bug-yor-bug compatible with RHEL but without the license fee requirement?

>bug-yor-bug compatible with RHEL It was never quite that, but that was the theory. The problem is because it was an exact clone of RHEL, it's somewhere between difficult and impossible to have a proper community around it. Like I said it kind of revolved around "file a bug to Red Hat, wait for someone to pick it up, and then wait more for it to be shipped, which will be months away at best and could be years if it's not a paying customer's priority"

yencabulator 3y ago
What I've seen people use CentOS for is testing a product intended to run on RHEL. For that, CentOS didn't need a separate community, and bugfixing at a pace different from RHEL would have been actively undesirable.
- dralley 3y ago
  For that purpose, RHEL is completely free to begin with
  - mattl 3y ago
    Yeah RHEL has had a gratis developer license from their website for maybe a decade now? Before that I would pay $49 a year for it.
    - yencabulator 3y ago
      As far as I understand, you still need to connect to the Red Hat license server, and you're limited to 16 machines. That's just stupidly unsuitable for a CI worker pool of hundreds of VMs being created from scratch for every run.
      - mattl 3y ago
        Yeah that’s something they’d want you to pay for. I totally get why CentOS was useful. I was briefly involved with Rocky when it first was getting started.
      - bonzini 3y ago
        If you do pay for RHEL you can have free non production subscriptions. Of course it's probably suspicious to pay for 1 production and 20000 testing servers, but it's pretty good if you are too small to negotiate an unlimited-machine subscription and you want to use RHEL in production. https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/07/06/what-qualifies-red-hat-developer-subscription-teams https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/07/06/what-quali...
  - op00to 2y ago
    Not for production purposes.
    - dralley 2y ago
      OP was talking about testing purposes. But RHEL is free for limited production purposes also, to a maximum of 16 systems. https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-hat-introduces-free-rhel-for-small-production-workloads-development-teams/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/red-hat-introduces-free-rhel-f...