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Oh please. This sort of blind “Israel is not POSSIBLY incapable of committing the same atrocities every other State is capable of committing” is a uniquely Amer

Oh please. This sort of blind “Israel is not POSSIBLY incapable of committing the same atrocities every other State is capable of committing” is a uniquely American brand of anti-anti-Semitism. Considering the actual merits and factors of a situation instead of simplifying everything to “yeah, but Jewish people have had a hard time” is exactly the sort of easily consumable useless drivel that doesn’t belong here.

worried4future 3y ago
I'm not saying they aren't capable of committing war crimes or genocide or whatever other terms you want to use. Clearly Israel is eminently capable of simply flattening Gaza (and Judaea/Samaria if they wanted) and they are restrained enough to not do so. I'm saying I don't think they are by any objective measure and the constant fixation with accusing Israel of war crimes and genocide, combined with the disgusting amount of antisemitism I've seen after 10/7 has led me to the conclusion that accusing them of imagined crimes is deeply rooted in antisemitism.
- SauciestGNU 3y ago
  Honestly tiresome to see accusations of antisemitism and reference to the Palestinian West Bank as "Judea and Samaria". How does the Palestinian West Bank become Judea and Samaria? Through forced displacement, ethnic cleansing, and/or genocide. "Greater Israel" can only come about through mass crimes against humanity and expansionist/pseudo-revanchist military adventurism.
  - worried4future 3y ago
    Apologies for calling it by it's historical name instead of the revisionist one the British gave it.
    - SauciestGNU 3y ago
      Those are but two of the many names those places have had over the years. Was your usage idiomatic, or expressive of an policy desire for Israel to rule over those lands?
laurels-marts 3y ago
I don’t get the genocide argument. Israel has complete air superiority, if genocide was the goal they could have leveled Gaza in the first day. Casualties would have been at least over 1 million not 30k. And they wouldn’t go door-to-door, drop flyers and knock-bombs (again why bother if genocide is the intent). The fact that the causality count is as low as it is considering they are fighting a genocidal terrorist organization that’s honeycombed itself in heavily populated civilian centers is already an achievement.
- meiraleal 3y ago
  Why would a genocide be their intention? But it can be the consequence, because they don't care. Then they argue that it isn't a genocide but who are they to decide? The culprit can't decide.
  - worried4future 3y ago
    Because genocide definitionally requires intent. > Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part.. Wikipedia
    - meiraleal 3y ago
      > Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part That's exactly what Israel is doing from the POV of the whole world but they disagree.
      - edanm 3y ago
        That's not the pov of the whole world. It's actually contrary to the views of all the major Democratic countries like the us, UK and France. The countries that claim Israel is committing genocide are mostly authoritarian countries.
        meiraleal 3y ago
        That's the POV of most human beings, authoritarian technocrats ruling the West are the few exceptions.

worried4future 3y ago

I'm not saying they aren't capable of committing war crimes or genocide or whatever other terms you want to use. Clearly Israel is eminently capable of simply flattening Gaza (and Judaea/Samaria if they wanted) and they are restrained enough to not do so. I'm saying I don't think they are by any objective measure and the constant fixation with accusing Israel of war crimes and genocide, combined with the disgusting amount of antisemitism I've seen after 10/7 has led me to the conclusion that accusing them of imagined crimes is deeply rooted in antisemitism.

SauciestGNU 3y ago
Honestly tiresome to see accusations of antisemitism and reference to the Palestinian West Bank as "Judea and Samaria". How does the Palestinian West Bank become Judea and Samaria? Through forced displacement, ethnic cleansing, and/or genocide. "Greater Israel" can only come about through mass crimes against humanity and expansionist/pseudo-revanchist military adventurism.
- worried4future 3y ago
  Apologies for calling it by it's historical name instead of the revisionist one the British gave it.
  - SauciestGNU 3y ago
    Those are but two of the many names those places have had over the years. Was your usage idiomatic, or expressive of an policy desire for Israel to rule over those lands?

laurels-marts 3y ago

I don’t get the genocide argument. Israel has complete air superiority, if genocide was the goal they could have leveled Gaza in the first day. Casualties would have been at least over 1 million not 30k. And they wouldn’t go door-to-door, drop flyers and knock-bombs (again why bother if genocide is the intent). The fact that the causality count is as low as it is considering they are fighting a genocidal terrorist organization that’s honeycombed itself in heavily populated civilian centers is already an achievement.

meiraleal 3y ago
Why would a genocide be their intention? But it can be the consequence, because they don't care. Then they argue that it isn't a genocide but who are they to decide? The culprit can't decide.
- worried4future 3y ago
  Because genocide definitionally requires intent. > Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part.. Wikipedia
  - meiraleal 3y ago
    > Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part That's exactly what Israel is doing from the POV of the whole world but they disagree.
    - edanm 3y ago
      That's not the pov of the whole world. It's actually contrary to the views of all the major Democratic countries like the us, UK and France. The countries that claim Israel is committing genocide are mostly authoritarian countries.
      - meiraleal 3y ago
        That's the POV of most human beings, authoritarian technocrats ruling the West are the few exceptions.