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> Sacrificing a new model to focus on FSD is a great move. Musk has been saying level 5 fsd is just around the corner for well over a decade, demonstrating a l

by klyrs 3y ago

> Sacrificing a new model to focus on FSD is a great move. Musk has been saying level 5 fsd is just around the corner for well over a decade, demonstrating a large and persistent disconnect between expectations and reality. That makes the reward/risk ratio of sacrificing a model to sink more into fsd rather questionable. The outcome isn't just not guaranteed, it isn't even known to be solvable with today's technology. People will buy nice electric cars that aren't riddled with quality issues. Investing in QA (where Tesla has next to none) is a bog-standard, practically-guaranteed route to improving products. But that doesn't excite this "brilliant leader" so it's off the table. This sacrifice isn't a "great move," it's another mark in Musk's record of bad gambles.

b7we5b7a 3y ago
> People will buy nice electric cars that aren't riddled with quality issues. Anecdata: my father bought a VW ID.4 1 year after I got my M3 (2019). The MY wasn't available yet. VW ID.4 has been at the garage 3-4 times/year for various (mostly software) issues. Same with my mother's Peugeot e-208. My M3 got the latest software update the next day after an imperfect firmware update made autopilot sometimes unavailable, all done with the technicians via the Tesla app. You can choose between amazing efficiency and software, and perhaps a 1mm-off panel on 1 out 1000 vehicles, or perfect esthetics but horrible software. Teslas are still not perfect, and a stronger QA would definitely make for a better image, I agree. Still, Tesla has made a lot of progress, you don't find as many people complaining about QC/panel issues anymore on reddit. But competitors still have a ton of catching up to do.
- klyrs 3y ago
  The eternal optimism of Tesla fans continues to astound me. The cybertruck has just been recalled because the soap they used to install accelerator pedals made them slip off, and you're telling me people are complaining less about panel issues?
  - b7we5b7a 3y ago
    Other manufacturers have recalls too, for equally dangerous conditions, but only Tesla ever makes the news (I'm not defending Tesla, just proving a point). CT has been out for ~4 months, 4k units delivered, platform engineered from scratch, new low voltage system, steer by wire, ...... inevitably something will slip. Compare a brand-new everything to minor updates to existing cars: - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-lexus-recall-2020-2022-faulty-air-bag-sensor/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-lexus-recall-2020-2022-f... - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-50000-corolla-rav4-do-not-drive-warning/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-50000-corolla-rav... - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-rav4-suv-2023/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-rav4-suv-2023/ - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-tundra-fire-risk/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-tundra-fire-risk/ And this is just Toyota, which as far as I can gather is considered reliable and trustworthy.
    - klyrs 3y ago
      > only Tesla ever makes the news This bald-faced lie is revealed by the very news you share further down your comment. > (I'm not defending Tesla, just proving a point) Your argument takes the form of a whataboutism, which does not actually prove anything.
FireBeyond 3y ago
> Musk has been saying level 5 fsd is just around the corner for well over a decade, demonstrating a large and persistent disconnect between expectations and reality. You literally have Musk's Director of Engineering telling/"reassuring" the State of California that Musk's statements on FSD are "visionary, and not reflective of engineering reality".
- klyrs 3y ago
  Brilliant

by klyrs 3y ago

b7we5b7a 3y ago

> People will buy nice electric cars that aren't riddled with quality issues. Anecdata: my father bought a VW ID.4 1 year after I got my M3 (2019). The MY wasn't available yet. VW ID.4 has been at the garage 3-4 times/year for various (mostly software) issues. Same with my mother's Peugeot e-208. My M3 got the latest software update the next day after an imperfect firmware update made autopilot sometimes unavailable, all done with the technicians via the Tesla app. You can choose between amazing efficiency and software, and perhaps a 1mm-off panel on 1 out 1000 vehicles, or perfect esthetics but horrible software. Teslas are still not perfect, and a stronger QA would definitely make for a better image, I agree. Still, Tesla has made a lot of progress, you don't find as many people complaining about QC/panel issues anymore on reddit. But competitors still have a ton of catching up to do.

klyrs 3y ago
The eternal optimism of Tesla fans continues to astound me. The cybertruck has just been recalled because the soap they used to install accelerator pedals made them slip off, and you're telling me people are complaining less about panel issues?
- b7we5b7a 3y ago
  Other manufacturers have recalls too, for equally dangerous conditions, but only Tesla ever makes the news (I'm not defending Tesla, just proving a point). CT has been out for ~4 months, 4k units delivered, platform engineered from scratch, new low voltage system, steer by wire, ...... inevitably something will slip. Compare a brand-new everything to minor updates to existing cars: - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-lexus-recall-2020-2022-faulty-air-bag-sensor/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-lexus-recall-2020-2022-f... - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-50000-corolla-rav4-do-not-drive-warning/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-50000-corolla-rav... - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-rav4-suv-2023/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-rav4-suv-2023/ - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-tundra-fire-risk/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toyota-recall-tundra-fire-risk/ And this is just Toyota, which as far as I can gather is considered reliable and trustworthy.
  - klyrs 3y ago
    > only Tesla ever makes the news This bald-faced lie is revealed by the very news you share further down your comment. > (I'm not defending Tesla, just proving a point) Your argument takes the form of a whataboutism, which does not actually prove anything.

FireBeyond 3y ago

> Musk has been saying level 5 fsd is just around the corner for well over a decade, demonstrating a large and persistent disconnect between expectations and reality. You literally have Musk's Director of Engineering telling/"reassuring" the State of California that Musk's statements on FSD are "visionary, and not reflective of engineering reality".

klyrs 3y ago
Brilliant