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A first gen, $4K (minimum) piece of equipment didn’t live up to its hype. Who could have predicted this?! It’s a good looking piece of tech, but unfortunately

by xyst 3y ago

A first gen, $4K (minimum) piece of equipment didn’t live up to its hype. Who could have predicted this?! It’s a good looking piece of tech, but unfortunately like the rest of the Apple ecosystem. It’s locked down. It’s out of reach (price wise) for most people. The mandatory App Store from a user perspective is dead to me. Repair process looks painful. Facebook and Apple need to change their shit up. Open up the ecosystem. Let users load up their own OS/Apps. Stop tying it down to your locked down ecosystems and warranty programs. Give us root, build schematics, and let us build. Stop abusing your users and developers.

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dmitrygr 3y ago
If you were right and THAT was what users cared about AND acted accordingly, android would own the majority of the high-end phone market. It doesn’t.
- syklep 3y ago
  It does, except in the US, where iMessage and other lock-in tactics help cement their stranglehold
  - dmitrygr 3y ago
    Ever seen Japan ?
  - swyx 3y ago
    absolutely bizarre that imessage is considered a lock in tactic when all they do is green bubble blue bubble phoneshaming and whatsapp exists for the other stuff
    - asadotzler 3y ago
      Ralph Lauren had a lock on my friend cohort in 10th grade. If you didn't have the polo logo on your shirt, you were ridiculed. If you had a logo that looked a little bit like the Polo logo but wasn't you got cast out. My parents said "but this other shirt we bought you is superior in every way and doesn't break our budget" and I said, "I need the Polo or I'm killing myself." Kids care what their friends think. A lot. Green bubbles are the same thing and so parents get their kids iPhones instead of Galaxies and the lock continues.
- infotainment 3y ago
  Ehh, the Vision Pro is positioned as a Real Computer™ in a way that smartphones aren’t. A more accurate comparison, IMO, would be the iPad’s performance in the overall laptop market.
- ado__dev 3y ago
  Android has ~70% of the global smartphone marketshare. Personally, I've moved off of Android to Apple in 2019 because I was done with tinkering and just wanted a device that worked well (even if locked down in an ecosystem).
  - dmitrygr 3y ago
    You purposefully ignored “high end”. Most of the world cannot afford that. Parts that do are mostly iPhone. USA. Japan.
    - blackbear_ 3y ago
      Top 20 Countries and Territories with the Highest iPhone Market Share (2022 full year): North Korea 99.49% Tokelau 94.44% Bermuda 92.32% Faroe Islands 92.23% American Samoa 85.85% Niue 79.86% Saint Pierre and Miquelon 70.6% Monaco 69.42% Jersey 67.65% Guernsey 67.51% https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-market-share-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma...
CrimsonCape 3y ago
It's really mind boggling with all of the money they earn why they can't fund a sort of "open source skunkworks" where a team is dedicated to building open source tooling that can create a symbiotic relationship with the dev community. And of course, be back-fed into their own products. Microsoft does this sort-of with language development (C#) and VS code on the software side. Now imagine a Microsoft "VSCode Box" or "VSCode portable", i.e. a hardware device they could sell that builds upon the OS work. In my example, Microsoft has the software side but not the hardware. Currently Apple has the hardware side but not the software.
worldwidelies 3y ago
This is peak capitalism. The middle class is almost no existent. Big companies are making products that regular people can't afford. It's kinda like the time workers at the old Ford plants couldn't afford the cars that they were making. Eventually they started paying their employees enough to do so. I just looked up the price of a base model Jeep Wrangler, it's 31K, probably closer to 38K out the door(financed of course). That's a lot of money. I wonder if the average factory worker can TRULY afford the base model version of the vehicle they help assemble.

by xyst 3y ago

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dmitrygr 3y ago

If you were right and THAT was what users cared about AND acted accordingly, android would own the majority of the high-end phone market. It doesn’t.

syklep 3y ago
It does, except in the US, where iMessage and other lock-in tactics help cement their stranglehold
- dmitrygr 3y ago
  Ever seen Japan ?
- swyx 3y ago
  absolutely bizarre that imessage is considered a lock in tactic when all they do is green bubble blue bubble phoneshaming and whatsapp exists for the other stuff
  - asadotzler 3y ago
    Ralph Lauren had a lock on my friend cohort in 10th grade. If you didn't have the polo logo on your shirt, you were ridiculed. If you had a logo that looked a little bit like the Polo logo but wasn't you got cast out. My parents said "but this other shirt we bought you is superior in every way and doesn't break our budget" and I said, "I need the Polo or I'm killing myself." Kids care what their friends think. A lot. Green bubbles are the same thing and so parents get their kids iPhones instead of Galaxies and the lock continues.
infotainment 3y ago
Ehh, the Vision Pro is positioned as a Real Computer™ in a way that smartphones aren’t. A more accurate comparison, IMO, would be the iPad’s performance in the overall laptop market.
ado__dev 3y ago
Android has ~70% of the global smartphone marketshare. Personally, I've moved off of Android to Apple in 2019 because I was done with tinkering and just wanted a device that worked well (even if locked down in an ecosystem).
- dmitrygr 3y ago
  You purposefully ignored “high end”. Most of the world cannot afford that. Parts that do are mostly iPhone. USA. Japan.
  - blackbear_ 3y ago
    Top 20 Countries and Territories with the Highest iPhone Market Share (2022 full year): North Korea 99.49% Tokelau 94.44% Bermuda 92.32% Faroe Islands 92.23% American Samoa 85.85% Niue 79.86% Saint Pierre and Miquelon 70.6% Monaco 69.42% Jersey 67.65% Guernsey 67.51% https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-market-share-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/iphone-ma...

CrimsonCape 3y ago

It's really mind boggling with all of the money they earn why they can't fund a sort of "open source skunkworks" where a team is dedicated to building open source tooling that can create a symbiotic relationship with the dev community. And of course, be back-fed into their own products. Microsoft does this sort-of with language development (C#) and VS code on the software side. Now imagine a Microsoft "VSCode Box" or "VSCode portable", i.e. a hardware device they could sell that builds upon the OS work. In my example, Microsoft has the software side but not the hardware. Currently Apple has the hardware side but not the software.

worldwidelies 3y ago

This is peak capitalism. The middle class is almost no existent. Big companies are making products that regular people can't afford. It's kinda like the time workers at the old Ford plants couldn't afford the cars that they were making. Eventually they started paying their employees enough to do so. I just looked up the price of a base model Jeep Wrangler, it's 31K, probably closer to 38K out the door(financed of course). That's a lot of money. I wonder if the average factory worker can TRULY afford the base model version of the vehicle they help assemble.