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Id be very happy if corporations stopped participating in any kind of politics altogether, including human rights discourse.

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mandmandam 2y ago
Just to be clear... In your worldview selling AI to a mass murdering apartheid state is not political, but talking about it is?
- edanm 2y ago
  Calling Israel a mass murdering apartheid state is political. Not everyone agrees with that statement, in fact many strongly disagree. So you can't just assume your conclusion and be aghast that other people don't immediately agree with you.
  - jakderrida 2y ago
    Not that I'm advocating for either side, but how do you know they were referring to Israel unless you agree?
    - edanm 2y ago
      Because the topic under discussion is about Google firing workers for protesting Google doing business with Israel. The subtitle is: "Some employees protested the tech giant’s contract with the Israeli government. They’ve been let go."
    - spacechild1 2y ago
      Because of the context?
  - bitcharmer 2y ago
    There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?
    - skissane 2y ago
      > There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel What counts as a war crime depends (among other factors) on the knowledge and intentions of the military commanders ordering the attack, and I don’t see how any of these videos or testimony can answer that.
    - lazide 2y ago
      All the same and more also re: Hamas. Who are the elected representatives of the Palestinian people. This fight is the same as trying to intervene in the drunk, abusive couple down the street’s fight of the day. As is 90% of anything in the Middle East. No one is ‘clean’, but some are more palatable than others in some contexts. And if G or others won’t do business with the ‘officially more palatable’ option (in this case Israel, per the US gov’t), then it hurts their bottom line - which is also Google Employees bottom line. And Google can’t ignore the US gov’t, due to both revenue and regulatory involvement, especially now. If you’re looking for sainthood, non-profits are an option.
      - bitcharmer 2y ago
        Are we really going to pretend there's symmetry in this conflict? Really?
        lazide 2y ago
        Who says there is a symmetry in the abusive couple neighbors? If you try to get involved, I guarantee you'll regret it either way. Ask any cop that's had to respond to a bunch of domestics.
- waihtis 2y ago
  Nah I am just totally apathetic to the whole thing. I don't live there, it's not my war, it doesn't belong to me in any kind of context. Same is true for 99% of the corps out there. They should focus on giving their employees a better living instead of political circus.
- worried4future 2y ago
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  - zrn900 2y ago
    > Correct. AI (or other technology) are tools. They can be used for good, they can be used for evil, it is should not be within the purview of a company to make such moral judgements. So basically when IBM was selling business machines that were being used in the concentration camps to the Nazi government it was ok. And when other US companies were selling all kinds of things including technology to the Nazis, which were used in the war, including for killing actual American soldiers. And if the Nazis won and were able to implement all they wanted at a global scale, these companies wouldn't be responsible for aiding the Nazi war effort and its eventual triumph. > people to mask-off with antisemitism trying Children are being murdered on live video. That's crazy talk at this point. If murdering children is semitism, then you are on the wrong side. If it isn't, then you are just talking nonsense because what they are doing is unjustifiable. The murder wont go away and the discussion wont stop if you scream 'anti-semitism'. Stop murdering children first.
    - sixstringtheory 2y ago
      > Stop murdering children first. Of course, Israelis and their supporters will say the same thing. There is no one party to this state of affairs still alive that threw the first stone. There was October 7, before that there were settlements and annexations, before that there were intifadas, before that there were mandates, civil wars etc, all the while punctuated by stray killings, bombings and rocket attacks, on and on reaching back millennia. I think plenty of people are tired of the simplistic, reductive, one-side treatment protesters give the issue, as you’re showing here. They think they can dictate to everyone how it should be solved. Condescension like that just never plays well. Comparing the Israel-Palestine conflict to Nazi Germany is both a qualitative and quantitative error. The degree to which Israel has killed Palestinians is dwarfed by the numbers the Nazis put up. The Nazis invaded many countries, occupying a total area over ten times the size of modern Germany. All that in the span of a decade or two, depending on when you count the start; compared to a conflict that in modern times alone is measured in a hundred years, with a small fraction of the impact. With multiple countries committed to their destruction. It’s a disappointing comparison and I can’t help but think it’s made deliberately to provoke an emotional reaction.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  Hey silly you are supposed to not think it is a big deal.
tmtvl 2y ago
I dunno, stuff like the IBM Nazi thing or the helmet tracking used on slaves in Qatar is kinda... kinda gives bad vibes, I guess.
- waihtis 2y ago
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  - spacechild1 2y ago
    I think your sarcasm antennas need some adjustment.
    - waihtis 2y ago
      no I think its extremely infantile behaviour to use light sarcasm when discussing serious matters
      - spacechild1 2y ago
        I wouldn't agree. Here the sarcasm isn't used to belittle the victims but to mock and shame the perpetrators.
        waihtis 2y ago
        Yeah I bet the Qatar monarchy is absolutely red with shame because someone offhandedly made a sarcastic comment about them on the interwebs
        spacechild1 2y ago
        Sigh. When someone shames powerful people on the internet they are generally not expecting the people in question to see it. (Well, except it's about Elon Musk :) The intention is rather to raise awareness among the general public.
        2y ago

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mandmandam 2y ago

Just to be clear... In your worldview selling AI to a mass murdering apartheid state is not political, but talking about it is?

edanm 2y ago
Calling Israel a mass murdering apartheid state is political. Not everyone agrees with that statement, in fact many strongly disagree. So you can't just assume your conclusion and be aghast that other people don't immediately agree with you.
- jakderrida 2y ago
  Not that I'm advocating for either side, but how do you know they were referring to Israel unless you agree?
  - edanm 2y ago
    Because the topic under discussion is about Google firing workers for protesting Google doing business with Israel. The subtitle is: "Some employees protested the tech giant’s contract with the Israeli government. They’ve been let go."
  - spacechild1 2y ago
    Because of the context?
- bitcharmer 2y ago
  There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?
  - skissane 2y ago
    > There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel What counts as a war crime depends (among other factors) on the knowledge and intentions of the military commanders ordering the attack, and I don’t see how any of these videos or testimony can answer that.
  - lazide 2y ago
    All the same and more also re: Hamas. Who are the elected representatives of the Palestinian people. This fight is the same as trying to intervene in the drunk, abusive couple down the street’s fight of the day. As is 90% of anything in the Middle East. No one is ‘clean’, but some are more palatable than others in some contexts. And if G or others won’t do business with the ‘officially more palatable’ option (in this case Israel, per the US gov’t), then it hurts their bottom line - which is also Google Employees bottom line. And Google can’t ignore the US gov’t, due to both revenue and regulatory involvement, especially now. If you’re looking for sainthood, non-profits are an option.
    - bitcharmer 2y ago
      Are we really going to pretend there's symmetry in this conflict? Really?
      - lazide 2y ago
        Who says there is a symmetry in the abusive couple neighbors? If you try to get involved, I guarantee you'll regret it either way. Ask any cop that's had to respond to a bunch of domestics.
waihtis 2y ago
Nah I am just totally apathetic to the whole thing. I don't live there, it's not my war, it doesn't belong to me in any kind of context. Same is true for 99% of the corps out there. They should focus on giving their employees a better living instead of political circus.
worried4future 2y ago
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- zrn900 2y ago
  > Correct. AI (or other technology) are tools. They can be used for good, they can be used for evil, it is should not be within the purview of a company to make such moral judgements. So basically when IBM was selling business machines that were being used in the concentration camps to the Nazi government it was ok. And when other US companies were selling all kinds of things including technology to the Nazis, which were used in the war, including for killing actual American soldiers. And if the Nazis won and were able to implement all they wanted at a global scale, these companies wouldn't be responsible for aiding the Nazi war effort and its eventual triumph. > people to mask-off with antisemitism trying Children are being murdered on live video. That's crazy talk at this point. If murdering children is semitism, then you are on the wrong side. If it isn't, then you are just talking nonsense because what they are doing is unjustifiable. The murder wont go away and the discussion wont stop if you scream 'anti-semitism'. Stop murdering children first.
  - sixstringtheory 2y ago
    > Stop murdering children first. Of course, Israelis and their supporters will say the same thing. There is no one party to this state of affairs still alive that threw the first stone. There was October 7, before that there were settlements and annexations, before that there were intifadas, before that there were mandates, civil wars etc, all the while punctuated by stray killings, bombings and rocket attacks, on and on reaching back millennia. I think plenty of people are tired of the simplistic, reductive, one-side treatment protesters give the issue, as you’re showing here. They think they can dictate to everyone how it should be solved. Condescension like that just never plays well. Comparing the Israel-Palestine conflict to Nazi Germany is both a qualitative and quantitative error. The degree to which Israel has killed Palestinians is dwarfed by the numbers the Nazis put up. The Nazis invaded many countries, occupying a total area over ten times the size of modern Germany. All that in the span of a decade or two, depending on when you count the start; compared to a conflict that in modern times alone is measured in a hundred years, with a small fraction of the impact. With multiple countries committed to their destruction. It’s a disappointing comparison and I can’t help but think it’s made deliberately to provoke an emotional reaction.
rightbyte 2y ago
Hey silly you are supposed to not think it is a big deal.

tmtvl 2y ago

I dunno, stuff like the IBM Nazi thing or the helmet tracking used on slaves in Qatar is kinda... kinda gives bad vibes, I guess.

waihtis 2y ago
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- spacechild1 2y ago
  I think your sarcasm antennas need some adjustment.
  - waihtis 2y ago
    no I think its extremely infantile behaviour to use light sarcasm when discussing serious matters
    - spacechild1 2y ago
      I wouldn't agree. Here the sarcasm isn't used to belittle the victims but to mock and shame the perpetrators.
      - waihtis 2y ago
        Yeah I bet the Qatar monarchy is absolutely red with shame because someone offhandedly made a sarcastic comment about them on the interwebs
        spacechild1 2y ago
        Sigh. When someone shames powerful people on the internet they are generally not expecting the people in question to see it. (Well, except it's about Elon Musk :) The intention is rather to raise awareness among the general public.
        2y ago