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Sure, if all it takes is raising a rainbow flag on top of the building and some words of the CEO they are all for it. But as soon as Google's bottom line is in

Sure, if all it takes is raising a rainbow flag on top of the building and some words of the CEO they are all for it. But as soon as Google's bottom line is involved they behave pretty predictable.

chpatrick 3y ago
See also YouTube happily selling millions of dollars in advertising every year to the Orbán regime and pals. If you don't have AdBlock or premium in Hungary you get five minutes of brainwashing before every video. These are the same regime saying that the fact that gay people exist is propaganda and a threat to children. If Google actually gave a fuck they could start with that. Any semblance of being progressive is horseshit if you're happy to do business with fascists overseas.
- Terr_ 3y ago
  Looking for more detail, came across: > The advertisements thus formally promote the Hungarian government’s anti-migrant measures. At the same time, they also stress the dangers of migration and the violence of migrants. These advertisements also appeared in countries when allies of the Orbán government, also campaigning with anti-migrant slogans, were competing in parliamentary or local elections. [...] > Google distinguishes between two types of advertising: political and non-political. The former is subject to stricter transparency rules. [...] Google confirmed that the relevant Hungarian government ads do not violate the terms of use and, as they do not promote political parties or politicians, are not political ads. [0] https://vsquare.org/orban-central-europe-online-ads-election-season/ https://vsquare.org/orban-central-europe-online-ads-election...
  - chpatrick 3y ago
    If you want to see for yourself, VPN to Hungary and try YouTube when signed out.
    - chpatrick 2y ago
      You can see them here as well: https://adstransparency.google.com/advertiser/AR09016286168588746753?region=HU&format=VIDEO&topic=political https://adstransparency.google.com/advertiser/AR090162861685...
nailer 3y ago
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- jseaidou 3y ago
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  - exe34 3y ago
    What does open air prison mean in this context? Would you like to comment why the family of the first minister of Scotland decided it was safe enough to go on holiday in this "open air prison"? Is it common for "inmates" from "open air prisons" to go and work in the neighbouring country while their fellow "inmates" want to wipe out this neighbouring country? Is it common for "inmates" from "open air prisons" to invade their neighbouring countries and murder, rape, burn and drag hostages back to hide in the homes of "innocent civilians" and under schools and hospitals? Can you think of anything that happened around 2006 that might have made the neighbours not want an open border with this "open air prison"?
- mightyham 3y ago
  Are you not aware of the Nakba or Israel using banned weapons on civilians for decades? I'm not saying hamas' actions are justified but there is no side in this conflict that can confidently claim moral superiority.
  - bushbaba 3y ago
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    - snird 3y ago
      ^^^ this. Starting a war and losing it should have consequences. They tried to genocide the Jews in 1948 and lost. If there are no consequences for what they did - they'll just keep doing it until they'll be successful. Which, coincidentally, is exactly what Hamas said about Oct 7 - that they'll repeat it again and again.
waihtis 3y ago
Id be very happy if corporations stopped participating in any kind of politics altogether, including human rights discourse.
- deleted 3y ago
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- mandmandam 3y ago
  Just to be clear... In your worldview selling AI to a mass murdering apartheid state is not political, but talking about it is?
  - edanm 3y ago
    Calling Israel a mass murdering apartheid state is political. Not everyone agrees with that statement, in fact many strongly disagree. So you can't just assume your conclusion and be aghast that other people don't immediately agree with you.
    - jakderrida 3y ago
      Not that I'm advocating for either side, but how do you know they were referring to Israel unless you agree?
      - edanm 3y ago
        Because the topic under discussion is about Google firing workers for protesting Google doing business with Israel. The subtitle is: "Some employees protested the tech giant’s contract with the Israeli government. They’ve been let go."
      - spacechild1 3y ago
        Because of the context?
    - bitcharmer 3y ago
      There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?
dijit 3y ago
I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were murdering not only Jews and Christians but also homosexuals[0]. I'm not sure of the Israeli stance to be perfectly honest, but it's surprising to me that the only time I had ever heard of LGBTQ+ rights with relation to the Palestinian people it has been with a strikingly deadly tone, yet it seems that in the US the political divide has fallen such that LGBTQ+ people are almost forced to ally with Palestine. I'm genuinely curious how this happened. caveat: I'm not interested in emotional responses, if you feel emotional reading this then please just ignore the comment completely, I am not inviting a flame war, this is genuine ignorance and curiousity. [0]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-5-2003-1346_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-5-2003-1346_... EDIT: Added a citation for my apparently outlandish statement.
- zrn900 3y ago
  > I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were murdering not only Jews and Christians but also homosexuals[0]. Just because there are anti-lgbt elements in Palestinian society and politics LGBT people wont be pro-genocide and side with Israel. The proposition defies description no sane person who is not a psychoapath will say "Oh, are they anti-LGBT and they may kill LGBT people? I guess its okay for Israel to murder their children then..." > I'm not interested in emotional responses The murder of children cant be reacted to with any other response than an emotional one.
  - C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 3y ago
    > no sane person who is not a psychoapath will say "Oh, are they anti-LGBT and they may kill LGBT people? I guess its okay for Israel to murder their children then..." I'd like to strip that sentence of the LGBT context, and point out that the general line of thinking (that there are legitimate reasons for wanting to kill a group of people's children) is actually popular enough to drive major policy. For example, given the historical record, Israeli society has been conditioned to be okay with murdered children and applying disproportionate and devastating force [0]. That state of mind is achieved through diverting the blame for one's atrocities entirely on the other party, and decrying their insanity and evilness for "making you do that" [2], as if one is not responsible for one's own actions, but is entirely reacting to another's action with no capability to alter course. Think this is far fetched and out of the line? There are 14000 children accounted for as dead as the result of current offensive that strongly suggest otherwise, and the killing is not even over yet. Murdering children does not require an active war against a territory either [1]. It is simply how things are done in their society. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/23/israel-killing-children-west-bank https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/23/israel... [2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2014-07-28/ty-article/we-can-never-forgive-them/0000017f-e587-da9b-a1ff-edefe0bd0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2014-07-28/ty-article/we...

Sure, if all it takes is raising a rainbow flag on top of the building and some words of the CEO they are all for it. But as soon as Google's bottom line is involved they behave pretty predictable.

chpatrick 3y ago

See also YouTube happily selling millions of dollars in advertising every year to the Orbán regime and pals. If you don't have AdBlock or premium in Hungary you get five minutes of brainwashing before every video. These are the same regime saying that the fact that gay people exist is propaganda and a threat to children. If Google actually gave a fuck they could start with that. Any semblance of being progressive is horseshit if you're happy to do business with fascists overseas.

Terr_ 3y ago
Looking for more detail, came across: > The advertisements thus formally promote the Hungarian government’s anti-migrant measures. At the same time, they also stress the dangers of migration and the violence of migrants. These advertisements also appeared in countries when allies of the Orbán government, also campaigning with anti-migrant slogans, were competing in parliamentary or local elections. [...] > Google distinguishes between two types of advertising: political and non-political. The former is subject to stricter transparency rules. [...] Google confirmed that the relevant Hungarian government ads do not violate the terms of use and, as they do not promote political parties or politicians, are not political ads. [0] https://vsquare.org/orban-central-europe-online-ads-election-season/ https://vsquare.org/orban-central-europe-online-ads-election...
- chpatrick 3y ago
  If you want to see for yourself, VPN to Hungary and try YouTube when signed out.
  - chpatrick 2y ago
    You can see them here as well: https://adstransparency.google.com/advertiser/AR09016286168588746753?region=HU&format=VIDEO&topic=political https://adstransparency.google.com/advertiser/AR090162861685...

nailer 3y ago

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jseaidou 3y ago
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- exe34 3y ago
  What does open air prison mean in this context? Would you like to comment why the family of the first minister of Scotland decided it was safe enough to go on holiday in this "open air prison"? Is it common for "inmates" from "open air prisons" to go and work in the neighbouring country while their fellow "inmates" want to wipe out this neighbouring country? Is it common for "inmates" from "open air prisons" to invade their neighbouring countries and murder, rape, burn and drag hostages back to hide in the homes of "innocent civilians" and under schools and hospitals? Can you think of anything that happened around 2006 that might have made the neighbours not want an open border with this "open air prison"?
mightyham 3y ago
Are you not aware of the Nakba or Israel using banned weapons on civilians for decades? I'm not saying hamas' actions are justified but there is no side in this conflict that can confidently claim moral superiority.
- bushbaba 3y ago
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  - snird 3y ago
    ^^^ this. Starting a war and losing it should have consequences. They tried to genocide the Jews in 1948 and lost. If there are no consequences for what they did - they'll just keep doing it until they'll be successful. Which, coincidentally, is exactly what Hamas said about Oct 7 - that they'll repeat it again and again.

waihtis 3y ago

Id be very happy if corporations stopped participating in any kind of politics altogether, including human rights discourse.

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mandmandam 3y ago
Just to be clear... In your worldview selling AI to a mass murdering apartheid state is not political, but talking about it is?
- edanm 3y ago
  Calling Israel a mass murdering apartheid state is political. Not everyone agrees with that statement, in fact many strongly disagree. So you can't just assume your conclusion and be aghast that other people don't immediately agree with you.
  - jakderrida 3y ago
    Not that I'm advocating for either side, but how do you know they were referring to Israel unless you agree?
    - edanm 3y ago
      Because the topic under discussion is about Google firing workers for protesting Google doing business with Israel. The subtitle is: "Some employees protested the tech giant’s contract with the Israeli government. They’ve been let go."
    - spacechild1 3y ago
      Because of the context?
  - bitcharmer 3y ago
    There are literally hundreds of videos and witness testimony evidencing war crimes perpetrated by Israel. There are even mass graves being uncovered which is reported by mainstream media. Humanitarianaid is being held back or bombed by IDF. What on Earth are you talking about? How can one dispute that Israel is a genocidal apartheid?

dijit 3y ago

I hope I'm not considered a troll for asking this question; I will ask on my main account and hopefully people will check my comment history to understand I am not intending to be belligerent or intentionally dumb. But why is it that rainbow flags (pride, et al) are considered the pro-Palestinian side in the conflict. I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were murdering not only Jews and Christians but also homosexuals[0]. I'm not sure of the Israeli stance to be perfectly honest, but it's surprising to me that the only time I had ever heard of LGBTQ+ rights with relation to the Palestinian people it has been with a strikingly deadly tone, yet it seems that in the US the political divide has fallen such that LGBTQ+ people are almost forced to ally with Palestine. I'm genuinely curious how this happened. caveat: I'm not interested in emotional responses, if you feel emotional reading this then please just ignore the comment completely, I am not inviting a flame war, this is genuine ignorance and curiousity. [0]: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-5-2003-1346_EN.html https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-5-2003-1346_... EDIT: Added a citation for my apparently outlandish statement.

zrn900 3y ago
> I might be old but I distinctly remember a humanitarian outcry in the 00's because Palestinians were murdering not only Jews and Christians but also homosexuals[0]. Just because there are anti-lgbt elements in Palestinian society and politics LGBT people wont be pro-genocide and side with Israel. The proposition defies description no sane person who is not a psychoapath will say "Oh, are they anti-LGBT and they may kill LGBT people? I guess its okay for Israel to murder their children then..." > I'm not interested in emotional responses The murder of children cant be reacted to with any other response than an emotional one.
- C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 3y ago
  > no sane person who is not a psychoapath will say "Oh, are they anti-LGBT and they may kill LGBT people? I guess its okay for Israel to murder their children then..." I'd like to strip that sentence of the LGBT context, and point out that the general line of thinking (that there are legitimate reasons for wanting to kill a group of people's children) is actually popular enough to drive major policy. For example, given the historical record, Israeli society has been conditioned to be okay with murdered children and applying disproportionate and devastating force [0]. That state of mind is achieved through diverting the blame for one's atrocities entirely on the other party, and decrying their insanity and evilness for "making you do that" [2], as if one is not responsible for one's own actions, but is entirely reacting to another's action with no capability to alter course. Think this is far fetched and out of the line? There are 14000 children accounted for as dead as the result of current offensive that strongly suggest otherwise, and the killing is not even over yet. Murdering children does not require an active war against a territory either [1]. It is simply how things are done in their society. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine [1] https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/23/israel-killing-children-west-bank https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/mar/23/israel... [2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2014-07-28/ty-article/we-can-never-forgive-them/0000017f-e587-da9b-a1ff-edefe0bd0000 https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2014-07-28/ty-article/we...