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Does that include the cost of tires - which is said to be MUCH higher on Teslas?

by hilux 3y ago

bryanlarsen 3y ago
Only if you drive like an idiot. We're at 70,000 km on original tires on our Tesla.
toss1 3y ago
Good question. In fact this is an issue on ALL electric cars, as they tend to be much heavier, which is directly correlated with tyre wear. That said, wear can be substantially mitigated by how the tyres are designed and manufactured, particularly the tread compounds. But, long-wearing compounds are generally inversely correlated with grip, so there is a balance to be found there. There is also the fact that manufactured seem to absolutely not GAF about weight anymore, even on internal-combustion cars, so the ICE-vs-EV weight difference may be narrowing. But yes, tires for heavier cars are more expensive by themselves, and ceteris paribus, wear faster, so can definitely be a significant expense factor over the 5-10 year terms in this article and discussion.
- widdakay 3y ago
  Look at the weight of some cars for comparison. Modern EVs aren't too far off as you say when compared with comparable performance cars: Tesla model 3: 3920lbs (SR) 4056lbs (LR) Kia ev6: 4017-4255lbs Average new US vehicle: 4100lbs BMW M3: 3,840-3,990 lbs BMW M5: ~5300lbs Audi A5: 3,682-3,990 lbs Toyota Camry: ~3500lbs Toyota Prius: 3,097-3,340lbs Dodge charger: 5100-5900lbs
  - toss1 3y ago
    Yes, those BMWs are insane weights for an "M" ("Motorsport") series. Especially considering that it's common knowledge in motorsports (although evidently less common than it should be) that more power only increases acceleration performance, but lighter weight increases performance of acceleration, braking, cornering, and tyre wear! Plus, reducing weight is compounding; take out one chunk of mass, and other components can also be made lighter, e.g., reduce the body mass, and you can fit lighter suspension components, brakes, wheels, tires, etc., and the light-weighting compounds.
mmh0000 3y ago
I believe you're being unfairly downvoted. While true that Teslas and other fully electrics, due to weight and torque, /can/ go through tires faster than a fossil car. If you don't drive like a psycho, and rotate the tires in a timely fashion, they last as long as any other tire in my experience. I drive year-round in a cold/hot climate with winter tires (because I'm too lazy to do the seasonal swap out). It is pretty hard on winter tires to run them in 100F days. But, so far, in the last 7 years of winter tires, I've gone through 2 sets. Tires are the least of my annoyances with Tesla. Lack of quality control, lack of good customer service, and a fascist dictator at the helm have all prevented me from considering another Telsa.

Does that include the cost of tires - which is said to be MUCH higher on Teslas?

by hilux 3y ago

Does that include the cost of tires - which is said to be MUCH higher on Teslas?

bryanlarsen 3y ago

Only if you drive like an idiot. We're at 70,000 km on original tires on our Tesla.

toss1 3y ago

Good question. In fact this is an issue on ALL electric cars, as they tend to be much heavier, which is directly correlated with tyre wear. That said, wear can be substantially mitigated by how the tyres are designed and manufactured, particularly the tread compounds. But, long-wearing compounds are generally inversely correlated with grip, so there is a balance to be found there. There is also the fact that manufactured seem to absolutely not GAF about weight anymore, even on internal-combustion cars, so the ICE-vs-EV weight difference may be narrowing. But yes, tires for heavier cars are more expensive by themselves, and ceteris paribus, wear faster, so can definitely be a significant expense factor over the 5-10 year terms in this article and discussion.

widdakay 3y ago
Look at the weight of some cars for comparison. Modern EVs aren't too far off as you say when compared with comparable performance cars: Tesla model 3: 3920lbs (SR) 4056lbs (LR) Kia ev6: 4017-4255lbs Average new US vehicle: 4100lbs BMW M3: 3,840-3,990 lbs BMW M5: ~5300lbs Audi A5: 3,682-3,990 lbs Toyota Camry: ~3500lbs Toyota Prius: 3,097-3,340lbs Dodge charger: 5100-5900lbs
- toss1 3y ago
  Yes, those BMWs are insane weights for an "M" ("Motorsport") series. Especially considering that it's common knowledge in motorsports (although evidently less common than it should be) that more power only increases acceleration performance, but lighter weight increases performance of acceleration, braking, cornering, and tyre wear! Plus, reducing weight is compounding; take out one chunk of mass, and other components can also be made lighter, e.g., reduce the body mass, and you can fit lighter suspension components, brakes, wheels, tires, etc., and the light-weighting compounds.

mmh0000 3y ago

I believe you're being unfairly downvoted. While true that Teslas and other fully electrics, due to weight and torque, /can/ go through tires faster than a fossil car. If you don't drive like a psycho, and rotate the tires in a timely fashion, they last as long as any other tire in my experience. I drive year-round in a cold/hot climate with winter tires (because I'm too lazy to do the seasonal swap out). It is pretty hard on winter tires to run them in 100F days. But, so far, in the last 7 years of winter tires, I've gone through 2 sets. Tires are the least of my annoyances with Tesla. Lack of quality control, lack of good customer service, and a fascist dictator at the helm have all prevented me from considering another Telsa.