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Ty for sharing the link. I think the problem I'm having with this is i don't think the answers fit what I think? For instance "I know how to tell if someone lis

Ty for sharing the link. I think the problem I'm having with this is i don't think the answers fit what I think? For instance "I know how to tell if someone listening to me is getting bored." I just assume everyone is bored when I speak which option do I choose for that?

Cheer2171 2y ago
> I just assume everyone is bored when I speak Sorry to say, and this is not a diagnosis, but that's more common for anxiety and depression than autism.
- andrelaszlo 2y ago
  I think it can be common among others as well :) The reason for why you assume this makes a big difference. Unfortunately anxiety and depression are also very common comorbidities in autism, so there's that overlap too. No single question, or even single form, would be enough to tell whether someone is autistic or not.
- LoganDark 2y ago
  Anxiety and depression absolutely do not contraindicate autism. Where did you even hear that? You know, detail-oriented thinking as in autism can make it a lot easier to fixate on specific negatives or anxieties compared to neurotypicals.
Blahah 2y ago
Then you put "no" since you clearly can't distinguish when someone is bored.
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- danpalmer 2y ago
  Assuming boredom is not necessarily an inability to determine it, it may be an inability to accept a positive answer, as would be the case with poor self-esteem. Someone could of course both be autistic and have low self-esteem, and they may be related for complex reasons, but they aren't necessarily. This is why just taking random surveys without an expert is not a good way to diagnose.
  - LoganDark 2y ago
    In my experience, the most reliable informal indicator of autism is if basically all of your friends are diagnosed autistics. It's like that study where neurotypicals were able to point out the autistic person in a room simply based on whether they "feel different" - this ability to tell whether someone shares your way of thinking is actually common to most neurotypes, including autistic neurotypes. One typically ends up subconsciously selecting for neurotypes similar to their own when choosing who to make friends with. This isn't to say that they don't make friends with other neurotypes, just that they're more likely to make friends with similar neurotypes, and the majority of their friends are very likely to have similar neurotypes to their own. Of course, going to a professional for a real assessment is the only thing I can really recommend. This would certainly be strong supporting evidence though, and meets my standard for self-diagnosis.
andrelaszlo 2y ago
I have autistic people in my family, and one of them said (jokingly) that not knowing how to answer the questions on self assessment forms should be enough evidence of autism. It was a joke, but there's something to it. People's autism can manifest in many different ways, but from what I have observed: - Language seems full of ambiguity. ('How often is "often"?', or 'Concentrate on the full picture? It depends on the picture!') - Reading too much into a question, so everything sounds impossible. ("How can I really know if someone is actually bored or pretending to be bored?") - Questions from a neurotypical perspective seem absurd, since your experiences are so different. (Adaptive behaviors like assuming people are bored could make this seemingly simple yes/no question irrelevant.) There's probably more.
ergonaught 2y ago
I've gone through a bunch of these, and had people with formal autism diagnoses go through them, and people who definitely are not autistic go through them, and we compared results. (There were stark differences.) Anyway, the tests on that site usually have some commentary (before the test itself) that helps explain some situations where you may get hung up on which answer is "correct". It's worth noting that the "allistics" who cooperated with me on this had no difficulties whatsoever with any of the answers and found the questions more or less absurd and completely unrelatable. Rather dramatically different experiences of the world, apparently.
octokatt 2y ago
Speaking more broadly, try taking the test with someone who knows you well. When I was tested for autism, my interviewer requested my wife be there specifically to help answer some things which I did not understand fully and didn't have good context for. It was helpful both for the diagnosis and to open the door for my wife and I to have better conversations about my needs. ... The irony of autistic folk having needs but having considerably more trouble communicating those needs, especially while burnt-out and needing more, is it's own, considerably large, domain.

Cheer2171 2y ago

> I just assume everyone is bored when I speak Sorry to say, and this is not a diagnosis, but that's more common for anxiety and depression than autism.

andrelaszlo 2y ago
I think it can be common among others as well :) The reason for why you assume this makes a big difference. Unfortunately anxiety and depression are also very common comorbidities in autism, so there's that overlap too. No single question, or even single form, would be enough to tell whether someone is autistic or not.
LoganDark 2y ago
Anxiety and depression absolutely do not contraindicate autism. Where did you even hear that? You know, detail-oriented thinking as in autism can make it a lot easier to fixate on specific negatives or anxieties compared to neurotypicals.

Blahah 2y ago

Then you put "no" since you clearly can't distinguish when someone is bored.

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danpalmer 2y ago
Assuming boredom is not necessarily an inability to determine it, it may be an inability to accept a positive answer, as would be the case with poor self-esteem. Someone could of course both be autistic and have low self-esteem, and they may be related for complex reasons, but they aren't necessarily. This is why just taking random surveys without an expert is not a good way to diagnose.
- LoganDark 2y ago
  In my experience, the most reliable informal indicator of autism is if basically all of your friends are diagnosed autistics. It's like that study where neurotypicals were able to point out the autistic person in a room simply based on whether they "feel different" - this ability to tell whether someone shares your way of thinking is actually common to most neurotypes, including autistic neurotypes. One typically ends up subconsciously selecting for neurotypes similar to their own when choosing who to make friends with. This isn't to say that they don't make friends with other neurotypes, just that they're more likely to make friends with similar neurotypes, and the majority of their friends are very likely to have similar neurotypes to their own. Of course, going to a professional for a real assessment is the only thing I can really recommend. This would certainly be strong supporting evidence though, and meets my standard for self-diagnosis.

andrelaszlo 2y ago

I have autistic people in my family, and one of them said (jokingly) that not knowing how to answer the questions on self assessment forms should be enough evidence of autism. It was a joke, but there's something to it. People's autism can manifest in many different ways, but from what I have observed: - Language seems full of ambiguity. ('How often is "often"?', or 'Concentrate on the full picture? It depends on the picture!') - Reading too much into a question, so everything sounds impossible. ("How can I really know if someone is actually bored or pretending to be bored?") - Questions from a neurotypical perspective seem absurd, since your experiences are so different. (Adaptive behaviors like assuming people are bored could make this seemingly simple yes/no question irrelevant.) There's probably more.

ergonaught 2y ago

I've gone through a bunch of these, and had people with formal autism diagnoses go through them, and people who definitely are not autistic go through them, and we compared results. (There were stark differences.) Anyway, the tests on that site usually have some commentary (before the test itself) that helps explain some situations where you may get hung up on which answer is "correct". It's worth noting that the "allistics" who cooperated with me on this had no difficulties whatsoever with any of the answers and found the questions more or less absurd and completely unrelatable. Rather dramatically different experiences of the world, apparently.

octokatt 2y ago

Speaking more broadly, try taking the test with someone who knows you well. When I was tested for autism, my interviewer requested my wife be there specifically to help answer some things which I did not understand fully and didn't have good context for. It was helpful both for the diagnosis and to open the door for my wife and I to have better conversations about my needs. ... The irony of autistic folk having needs but having considerably more trouble communicating those needs, especially while burnt-out and needing more, is it's own, considerably large, domain.