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I'd expect to be prosecuted if I was caught driving like this, and probably lose my license as a result what is the threshold for permanently terminating Waymo

I'd expect to be prosecuted if I was caught driving like this, and probably lose my license as a result what is the threshold for permanently terminating Waymo's license? - an example like this of dangerous driving? - 1 death by dangerous driving? - 10 deaths by dangerous driving? (say it veered right in this video into the other road users) - 100 deaths by dangerous driving? (say it veers into a sidewalk full of pedestrians)

miki123211 3y ago
The problem with these self-driving companies is that they drive a lot more miles than a human ever could. Even if their error rates were 1/10th of the most cautious human drivers, if we held them to the same standards as we hold humans, they'd lose their licenses in a week. This is due to the sheer number of cars they have and miles they drive. This is a variation on the trolley problem. Would you rather have roads that are 10 times safer, with 10 times fewer accidents and 10 times fewer deaths, but where the accidents are completely unexplainable and where nobody can be held guilty, or would you rather have the world stay as it is?
- peteradio 3y ago
  If Waymo sold the software/hardware without onerous licensing costs I would rather live in world #2. If instead they become an incredibly wealthy lobbying engine based on extraction for a few rather than true wealth creation then I'd rather still live in world #1.
acimim_ha 3y ago
Negative publicity is reflected on their equity evaluation. They have great incentives. The system works. I think with 100 deaths the company would get liquidated. This incident alone probably caused more damage than a cost of one single driver's license suspension.
viraptor 3y ago
Why would you expect losing a license? The only actual issue I can see is crossing the double line which is just one penalty point if caught https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21460/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21460/ (Possibly also not using the indicator which is another point, but I don't think we can be 100% sure it wasn't used before the change started - California seems to require it only before not during lane change if I read it correctly)
- ChoGGi 3y ago
  You'd also get a misdemeanor (or felony if you hurt someone). https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21651b/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21651b/
- blibble 3y ago
  the UK has somewhat stricter driving standards doing it for a second or two would likely be classed as "driving without due care and attention", resulting in a fine if convicted however doing it for as long as in this video I suspect would be classed as "dangerous driving", with disqualification being the likely result
  - arethuza 3y ago
    I'd be very surprised if someone lost their license over doing this in the UK - you might get a fixed penalty notice but I suspect if you managed to explain to the police what you thought you were doing you might get away with a good telling off. Of course, if anyone got hurt you'd be in serious trouble...

miki123211 3y ago

The problem with these self-driving companies is that they drive a lot more miles than a human ever could. Even if their error rates were 1/10th of the most cautious human drivers, if we held them to the same standards as we hold humans, they'd lose their licenses in a week. This is due to the sheer number of cars they have and miles they drive. This is a variation on the trolley problem. Would you rather have roads that are 10 times safer, with 10 times fewer accidents and 10 times fewer deaths, but where the accidents are completely unexplainable and where nobody can be held guilty, or would you rather have the world stay as it is?

peteradio 3y ago
If Waymo sold the software/hardware without onerous licensing costs I would rather live in world #2. If instead they become an incredibly wealthy lobbying engine based on extraction for a few rather than true wealth creation then I'd rather still live in world #1.

acimim_ha 3y ago

Negative publicity is reflected on their equity evaluation. They have great incentives. The system works. I think with 100 deaths the company would get liquidated. This incident alone probably caused more damage than a cost of one single driver's license suspension.

viraptor 3y ago

Why would you expect losing a license? The only actual issue I can see is crossing the double line which is just one penalty point if caught https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21460/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21460/ (Possibly also not using the indicator which is another point, but I don't think we can be 100% sure it wasn't used before the change started - California seems to require it only before not during lane change if I read it correctly)

ChoGGi 3y ago
You'd also get a misdemeanor (or felony if you hurt someone). https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21651b/ https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/vehicle-code/21651b/
blibble 3y ago
the UK has somewhat stricter driving standards doing it for a second or two would likely be classed as "driving without due care and attention", resulting in a fine if convicted however doing it for as long as in this video I suspect would be classed as "dangerous driving", with disqualification being the likely result
- arethuza 3y ago
  I'd be very surprised if someone lost their license over doing this in the UK - you might get a fixed penalty notice but I suspect if you managed to explain to the police what you thought you were doing you might get away with a good telling off. Of course, if anyone got hurt you'd be in serious trouble...