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I now expect a new recaptcha challenge to be added by Google, identifying unicycles. We already have bicycles and mopeds, but it would appear that unicycles con

I now expect a new recaptcha challenge to be added by Google, identifying unicycles. We already have bicycles and mopeds, but it would appear that unicycles confuse their cars.

tinco 2y ago
You would expect a captcha that shows you two yellow lines, and asks you on which side of the yellow lines a car should be driving. Wether there are unicycles present is totally irrelevant.
- csunbird 2y ago
  As always there is a relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1897/ https://xkcd.com/1897/
  - bitwize 2y ago
    There are companies whose business model is this but unironically.
  - defrost 2y ago
    My Driverless Car Is Driving Me To Distraction
- dagw 2y ago
  Just make sure no one in the UK, Ireland, Australia or Japan gets asked to solve those captchas.
  - alchemist1e9 2y ago
    Yeah I’m wondering if they accidentally have training data from those places and plus that data might be more likely to have groups of cyclists.
    - defrost 2y ago
      Or people randomly playing cricket in the middle of the street. For real. Not /s. Not in downtown Melbourne, but a definite possibility in suburban streets.
      - dagw 2y ago
        In parts of North America you have to deal with street hockey, so I imagine dealing with street cricket looks basically the same.
        defrost 2y ago
        In London they have runaway horses .. that's gotta be a bit of a challenge. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68887800 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68887800 They smashed up a bus and a regular taxi en route to Freedom!
- arethuza 2y ago
  Actually, by looking at the behaviour of the unicycles I could infer that this was a country where people drive on the right and therefore the car was probably doing something wrong?
unhammer 2y ago
It's the humans fault for not being lawful and considerate to the AI murderbot: > a former Baidu executive, Drive.AI board member, and one of the industry’s most prominent boosters — argues the problem is less about building a perfect driving system than training bystanders to anticipate self-driving behavior. In other words, we can make roads safe for the cars instead of the other way around. As an example of an unpredictable case, I asked him whether he thought modern systems could handle a pedestrian on a pogo stick, even if they had never seen one before. “I think many AV teams could handle a pogo stick user in pedestrian crosswalk,” he told me. “Having said that, bouncing on a pogo stick in the middle of a highway would be really dangerous.” > “Rather than building AI to solve the pogo stick problem, we should partner with the government to ask people to be lawful and considerate,” he said. “Safety isn’t just about the quality of the AI technology.” https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/3/17530232/self-driving-ai-winter-full-autonomy-waymo-tesla-uber https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/3/17530232/self-driving-ai-w...
- Dyac 2y ago
  Reminds me of the jaywalking law in the US, brought about by the auto industry. This law that sets the default of it being illegal to be in the road doesn't exist in much of the world. It's really up to the self driving cars to respect other road users at least as well as a human driver would, not expect to be able to mould the laws around the world to fit their limited capabilities. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26073797 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26073797
- fallingknife 2y ago
  This is what we do for cars now
  - everyone 2y ago
    Yeah there was a PR big and legal campaign in the 20's from the auto industry to promulgate the idea of jaywalking and take the streets from the people.
- aftoprokrustes 2y ago
  I agree that the citation does sound cold and coercitive, but actually this is already kind of how streets and urban developments are designed. Human drivers are limited, so if you allow cars to go fast, you restrict or remove the right to be walking close to the road (highways). Conversely, if you want to give more room to pedestrians, you decrease the speed limit, reduce lane width, etc. such that they are able to react accordingly. Nothing wrong with that in principle. Now, this does not say anything about the Waymo incident. In that case, the car performed an illegal maneuver, which cannot be blamed on other street users.

I now expect a new recaptcha challenge to be added by Google, identifying unicycles. We already have bicycles and mopeds, but it would appear that unicycles confuse their cars.

tinco 2y ago

You would expect a captcha that shows you two yellow lines, and asks you on which side of the yellow lines a car should be driving. Wether there are unicycles present is totally irrelevant.

csunbird 2y ago
As always there is a relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1897/ https://xkcd.com/1897/
- bitwize 2y ago
  There are companies whose business model is this but unironically.
- defrost 2y ago
  My Driverless Car Is Driving Me To Distraction
dagw 2y ago
Just make sure no one in the UK, Ireland, Australia or Japan gets asked to solve those captchas.
- alchemist1e9 2y ago
  Yeah I’m wondering if they accidentally have training data from those places and plus that data might be more likely to have groups of cyclists.
  - defrost 2y ago
    Or people randomly playing cricket in the middle of the street. For real. Not /s. Not in downtown Melbourne, but a definite possibility in suburban streets.
    - dagw 2y ago
      In parts of North America you have to deal with street hockey, so I imagine dealing with street cricket looks basically the same.
      - defrost 2y ago
        In London they have runaway horses .. that's gotta be a bit of a challenge. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68887800 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-68887800 They smashed up a bus and a regular taxi en route to Freedom!
arethuza 2y ago
Actually, by looking at the behaviour of the unicycles I could infer that this was a country where people drive on the right and therefore the car was probably doing something wrong?

unhammer 2y ago

It's the humans fault for not being lawful and considerate to the AI murderbot: > a former Baidu executive, Drive.AI board member, and one of the industry’s most prominent boosters — argues the problem is less about building a perfect driving system than training bystanders to anticipate self-driving behavior. In other words, we can make roads safe for the cars instead of the other way around. As an example of an unpredictable case, I asked him whether he thought modern systems could handle a pedestrian on a pogo stick, even if they had never seen one before. “I think many AV teams could handle a pogo stick user in pedestrian crosswalk,” he told me. “Having said that, bouncing on a pogo stick in the middle of a highway would be really dangerous.” > “Rather than building AI to solve the pogo stick problem, we should partner with the government to ask people to be lawful and considerate,” he said. “Safety isn’t just about the quality of the AI technology.” https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/3/17530232/self-driving-ai-winter-full-autonomy-waymo-tesla-uber https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/3/17530232/self-driving-ai-w...

Dyac 2y ago
Reminds me of the jaywalking law in the US, brought about by the auto industry. This law that sets the default of it being illegal to be in the road doesn't exist in much of the world. It's really up to the self driving cars to respect other road users at least as well as a human driver would, not expect to be able to mould the laws around the world to fit their limited capabilities. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26073797 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26073797
fallingknife 2y ago
This is what we do for cars now
- everyone 2y ago
  Yeah there was a PR big and legal campaign in the 20's from the auto industry to promulgate the idea of jaywalking and take the streets from the people.
aftoprokrustes 2y ago
I agree that the citation does sound cold and coercitive, but actually this is already kind of how streets and urban developments are designed. Human drivers are limited, so if you allow cars to go fast, you restrict or remove the right to be walking close to the road (highways). Conversely, if you want to give more room to pedestrians, you decrease the speed limit, reduce lane width, etc. such that they are able to react accordingly. Nothing wrong with that in principle. Now, this does not say anything about the Waymo incident. In that case, the car performed an illegal maneuver, which cannot be blamed on other street users.