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In Germany we already have a deposit scheme for a long time. You can actually return PET bottles anywhere. That does not mean that the company that gets the bot

by riedel 3y ago

In Germany we already have a deposit scheme for a long time. You can actually return PET bottles anywhere. That does not mean that the company that gets the bottles back recycles them. However, it is an opportunity because you will get back rather pure PET.

rasz 3y ago
Yes, and guess where all those returned bottles go :( https://wielun.naszemiasto.pl/kolejny-pozar-skladowiska-w-naszym-regionie-tym-razem-w/ar/c1-8401231 https://wielun.naszemiasto.pl/kolejny-pozar-skladowiska-w-na... https://portalkomunalny.pl/gospodarka-odpadami/pozary-skladowiska-odpady/ https://portalkomunalny.pl/gospodarka-odpadami/pozary-sklado... https://zielona.interia.pl/wiadomosci/polska/news-pozary-odpadow-to-w-polsce-prawdziwa-plaga-mafia-zarabia-na-n,nId,5974478 https://zielona.interia.pl/wiadomosci/polska/news-pozary-odp... https://zielona.interia.pl/smieci-plastik/news-odpady-jak-kukulcze-jajo-przerzucanie-smieci-trwa-w-najlepsze,nId,5972513 https://zielona.interia.pl/smieci-plastik/news-odpady-jak-ku... EU "recycling" turned to Poland after China banned plastic garbage imports. There have been illegal garbage dumps (plastic and other hazardous substances from the west of EU) burning in Poland for over 10 years now, usually couple a month up to one a week. Its run by organized crime, how it works: Goon rents a warehouse/piece of land in Poland claiming to be a transportation/construction/recycling company usually using forged documents or homeless person fronting whole thing. Gets paid to remove hazardous waste from UK/Scandinavia/Germany, stockpiles until place is full. Finally either sets the place on fire to cover tracks, or the owner stops receiving payments, discovers whats stored on his property and decides to take insurance hit instead of having his assets blocked for several years while courts try to figure out if/what/who is going to pay for lawful disposal. Recycling plastic is a HUGE LIE.
- riedel 2y ago
  I totally agree, but this is about light weight packaging which is also separately collected in Germany. PET bottles is another game. Actually there even criticism for upcycling those for clothes because it is a pretty much perfect for circular economy and makes no sense to actually take it out of the circle by making clothes out of it that will for sure be burned. I understand that it seems like the positive cases are often used to hide the dirty secret about most other plastics. But actually promoting coated cardboard and paper is equally problematic.

by riedel 3y ago

rasz 3y ago

Yes, and guess where all those returned bottles go :( https://wielun.naszemiasto.pl/kolejny-pozar-skladowiska-w-naszym-regionie-tym-razem-w/ar/c1-8401231 https://wielun.naszemiasto.pl/kolejny-pozar-skladowiska-w-na... https://portalkomunalny.pl/gospodarka-odpadami/pozary-skladowiska-odpady/ https://portalkomunalny.pl/gospodarka-odpadami/pozary-sklado... https://zielona.interia.pl/wiadomosci/polska/news-pozary-odpadow-to-w-polsce-prawdziwa-plaga-mafia-zarabia-na-n,nId,5974478 https://zielona.interia.pl/wiadomosci/polska/news-pozary-odp... https://zielona.interia.pl/smieci-plastik/news-odpady-jak-kukulcze-jajo-przerzucanie-smieci-trwa-w-najlepsze,nId,5972513 https://zielona.interia.pl/smieci-plastik/news-odpady-jak-ku... EU "recycling" turned to Poland after China banned plastic garbage imports. There have been illegal garbage dumps (plastic and other hazardous substances from the west of EU) burning in Poland for over 10 years now, usually couple a month up to one a week. Its run by organized crime, how it works: Goon rents a warehouse/piece of land in Poland claiming to be a transportation/construction/recycling company usually using forged documents or homeless person fronting whole thing. Gets paid to remove hazardous waste from UK/Scandinavia/Germany, stockpiles until place is full. Finally either sets the place on fire to cover tracks, or the owner stops receiving payments, discovers whats stored on his property and decides to take insurance hit instead of having his assets blocked for several years while courts try to figure out if/what/who is going to pay for lawful disposal. Recycling plastic is a HUGE LIE.

riedel 2y ago
I totally agree, but this is about light weight packaging which is also separately collected in Germany. PET bottles is another game. Actually there even criticism for upcycling those for clothes because it is a pretty much perfect for circular economy and makes no sense to actually take it out of the circle by making clothes out of it that will for sure be burned. I understand that it seems like the positive cases are often used to hide the dirty secret about most other plastics. But actually promoting coated cardboard and paper is equally problematic.