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reddit is full of hivemind alarmist positions like this that is impossible to change anyone's mind on. - qtips will rupture your ear drum and there is never ad

reddit is full of hivemind alarmist positions like this that is impossible to change anyone's mind on. - qtips will rupture your ear drum and there is never adequate justification for using them inside the ear - flushable wipes can never be flushable and will always damage your pipes/sewer - cpvc water pipes will destroy your entire house in your sleep unless you rip it all out immediately etc...

defrost 3y ago
Thames Water, the company that maintains sewer pipes for the millions that live in London and surrounds also has strong pragmatic opinions grounded in real world experience that "flushable wipes" should never be flushed and will always make up a large proportion of pipe blockages ... https://www.thameswater.co.uk/about-us/responsibility/bin-it https://www.thameswater.co.uk/about-us/responsibility/bin-it https://www.thameswater.co.uk/news/twenty-four-million-people-admit-they-have-flushed-sanitary-products-or-wet-wipes https://www.thameswater.co.uk/news/twenty-four-million-peopl... But, of course you're correct, after all what would actual engineers from a company that recently spent > 5 billion on sewer upgrades know about pipes? They should just hire dismissive internet commenters to hand wave such things away.
- ranger_danger 3y ago
  Not sure if the irony is lost on you, but this is a zero sum game. For every bit of research one posts against it, there are at least equally as many FOR it. Nobody can win. > But these wipes contain plastic Thames should know better that not all of them do, for example Cottonelle. Most wipes accumulating in wastewater and sewers are baby wipes, hard-surface cleaning wipes or other wipes NOT designed to be nor marketed as flushable. The people running these operations do not have the knowledge or equipment to test which exact manufacturer's product line caused a problem beyond a reasonable doubt. https://www.charlestonwater.com/DocumentCenter/View/2120/Wipes-Flushability-Test-Results https://www.charlestonwater.com/DocumentCenter/View/2120/Wip... https://charlestonwater.com/civicalerts.aspx?aid=222 https://charlestonwater.com/civicalerts.aspx?aid=222 > Charleston Water System (CWS) settled its class action lawsuit against all remaining defendant wipe manufacturers and retailers. This ensures that nearly all flushable wipes available to consumers across the country will truly be flushable and that packaging for all non-flushable wipes will clearly indicate they should not be flushed.
  - defrost 3y ago
    > Thames should know better that not all of them do, for example Cottonelle. So .. they should advocate for people being better at sorting out what they flush down a toilet along with sorting their recycling? Real world experience demonstrates that doesn't work. They only winning strategy here is keep working to denormalise flushing anything down a toilet, washing anything into sewer lines that isn't paper, piss, or poo. Sure, there are possible exceptions but once a door is opened other things are shoved through and we're back to fatburgs that bog up the system and backflow neighbourhoods.
    - ranger_danger 3y ago
      are you saying you now accept that "flushable wipes should never be flushed" might have been a bit incorrect? and you are just moving the goalposts now?
      - defrost 3y ago
        No, and no. I'll leave you to work your way through that, it's correct and considerably easier to deconstruct than the papers of Alonzo Church or Scott–Strachey semantics.

defrost 3y ago

Thames Water, the company that maintains sewer pipes for the millions that live in London and surrounds also has strong pragmatic opinions grounded in real world experience that "flushable wipes" should never be flushed and will always make up a large proportion of pipe blockages ... https://www.thameswater.co.uk/about-us/responsibility/bin-it https://www.thameswater.co.uk/about-us/responsibility/bin-it https://www.thameswater.co.uk/news/twenty-four-million-people-admit-they-have-flushed-sanitary-products-or-wet-wipes https://www.thameswater.co.uk/news/twenty-four-million-peopl... But, of course you're correct, after all what would actual engineers from a company that recently spent > 5 billion on sewer upgrades know about pipes? They should just hire dismissive internet commenters to hand wave such things away.

ranger_danger 3y ago
Not sure if the irony is lost on you, but this is a zero sum game. For every bit of research one posts against it, there are at least equally as many FOR it. Nobody can win. > But these wipes contain plastic Thames should know better that not all of them do, for example Cottonelle. Most wipes accumulating in wastewater and sewers are baby wipes, hard-surface cleaning wipes or other wipes NOT designed to be nor marketed as flushable. The people running these operations do not have the knowledge or equipment to test which exact manufacturer's product line caused a problem beyond a reasonable doubt. https://www.charlestonwater.com/DocumentCenter/View/2120/Wipes-Flushability-Test-Results https://www.charlestonwater.com/DocumentCenter/View/2120/Wip... https://charlestonwater.com/civicalerts.aspx?aid=222 https://charlestonwater.com/civicalerts.aspx?aid=222 > Charleston Water System (CWS) settled its class action lawsuit against all remaining defendant wipe manufacturers and retailers. This ensures that nearly all flushable wipes available to consumers across the country will truly be flushable and that packaging for all non-flushable wipes will clearly indicate they should not be flushed.
- defrost 3y ago
  > Thames should know better that not all of them do, for example Cottonelle. So .. they should advocate for people being better at sorting out what they flush down a toilet along with sorting their recycling? Real world experience demonstrates that doesn't work. They only winning strategy here is keep working to denormalise flushing anything down a toilet, washing anything into sewer lines that isn't paper, piss, or poo. Sure, there are possible exceptions but once a door is opened other things are shoved through and we're back to fatburgs that bog up the system and backflow neighbourhoods.
  - ranger_danger 3y ago
    are you saying you now accept that "flushable wipes should never be flushed" might have been a bit incorrect? and you are just moving the goalposts now?
    - defrost 3y ago
      No, and no. I'll leave you to work your way through that, it's correct and considerably easier to deconstruct than the papers of Alonzo Church or Scott–Strachey semantics.