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Apple and to a lesser extent Google have high trust. Nobody trusts Meta at all. So who would adopt their OS?

threeseed 2y ago
Not sure why you wouldn't put Google and Meta in the same basket. Both are advertising companies with a history of working to undermine pro-privacy initiatives.
- hooloovoo_zoo 2y ago
  It's an inherently subjective assessment obviously, but I can justify it with e.g. survey results https://theharrispoll.com/partners/media/axios-harrispoll-100/ https://theharrispoll.com/partners/media/axios-harrispoll-10....
ceroxylon 2y ago
As a Quest user: mostly younger devs. I see 18-22yo developers who do not care about the history of Meta making very impressive games that attract large amounts of their peers, adding micro-transactions along the way to fund their development, and it works, they make a large amount of money and have very active communities on Discord.
- Panini_Jones 2y ago
  What are the names of the games?
rmbyrro 2y ago
Apple and Google have high trust? In what world? In terms of privacy, Apple has more trust, yes, but the daily stream of zero days on iPhones hurt it by a good margin. I won't even start talking about Google's privacy issues...
- genidoi 2y ago
  I fully trust apple photos / g photos, on an iphone. Idk/idc about the "daily 0 days" that you referenced, I do care about being able to know with absolute certainty that my photos will be there 20 years from now.
  - rmbyrro 2y ago
    That's perfectly fine. But if you don't care about privacy, why are you responding to a thread about privacy?
m463 2y ago
I think apple has high trust only because they repeat their message all the time. However, just buy an apple device and try to use it. You cannot use it without apple allowing it. You must connect to apple and activate your device. And as part of activation, you get a chance to read apple's privacy policy. Literally thousands of pages of privacy policy without the ability to DO anything, like say "No". And everything in the os phones home, continuously. If you are a european and disable location services, and use a european vpn, apple still won't let you use the european app store because the phone knows your location. sigh.
- genidoi 2y ago
  > apple still won't let you use the european app store because the phone knows your location. The national app store you get to use (the region of your iphone) is based on your billing address + card details (which obviously are validated when you enter them), not your phone location.
  - m463 2y ago
    Here is the comment that said different? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40069509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40069509
- simondotau 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - wraptile 2y ago
    I've never had my phone or tech device stolen in general. This anti theft stuff is a red herring or a distraction from real societal issues. Something along the lines of "sell us your rights and the device that doesn't really belong to you will not be stolen from us, I mean you."
    - simondotau 2y ago
      I'm glad to hear you've never had anything stolen and aren't planning to have anything stolen in the future. That's a great plan and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it myself. Oh and here's a great money saving tip: if you've never been in a car accident, don't waste your money on car insurance. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from Apple. I do buy Apple products fully aware of the relationship I'm entering into and I'm very happy with it. I consider activation lock to be a positive feature which increases the value of an iPhone for me. An article from 2015: https://techcrunch.com/2015/02/11/apples-activation-lock-leads-to-big-drops-in-smartphone-theft-worldwide/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/02/11/apples-activation-lock-lea...
TiredOfLife 2y ago
And that is weird. Apple gives Chinese government direct access to user data. Apple obeys every demand from China and Russia. Meanwhile Meta communications director Andy Stone just got 6 years in russian prison for allowing people to say mean things about russia.
- dustypotato 2y ago
  "Got" as in got convicted in absentia. He's not in prison!

Not sure why you wouldn't put Google and Meta in the same basket. Both are advertising companies with a history of working to undermine pro-privacy initiatives.

hooloovoo_zoo 2y ago
It's an inherently subjective assessment obviously, but I can justify it with e.g. survey results https://theharrispoll.com/partners/media/axios-harrispoll-100/ https://theharrispoll.com/partners/media/axios-harrispoll-10....

ceroxylon 2y ago

As a Quest user: mostly younger devs. I see 18-22yo developers who do not care about the history of Meta making very impressive games that attract large amounts of their peers, adding micro-transactions along the way to fund their development, and it works, they make a large amount of money and have very active communities on Discord.

Panini_Jones 2y ago
What are the names of the games?

rmbyrro 2y ago

Apple and Google have high trust? In what world? In terms of privacy, Apple has more trust, yes, but the daily stream of zero days on iPhones hurt it by a good margin. I won't even start talking about Google's privacy issues...

genidoi 2y ago
I fully trust apple photos / g photos, on an iphone. Idk/idc about the "daily 0 days" that you referenced, I do care about being able to know with absolute certainty that my photos will be there 20 years from now.
- rmbyrro 2y ago
  That's perfectly fine. But if you don't care about privacy, why are you responding to a thread about privacy?

m463 2y ago

I think apple has high trust only because they repeat their message all the time. However, just buy an apple device and try to use it. You cannot use it without apple allowing it. You must connect to apple and activate your device. And as part of activation, you get a chance to read apple's privacy policy. Literally thousands of pages of privacy policy without the ability to DO anything, like say "No". And everything in the os phones home, continuously. If you are a european and disable location services, and use a european vpn, apple still won't let you use the european app store because the phone knows your location. sigh.

genidoi 2y ago
> apple still won't let you use the european app store because the phone knows your location. The national app store you get to use (the region of your iphone) is based on your billing address + card details (which obviously are validated when you enter them), not your phone location.
- m463 2y ago
  Here is the comment that said different? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40069509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40069509
simondotau 2y ago
[flagged]
- wraptile 2y ago
  I've never had my phone or tech device stolen in general. This anti theft stuff is a red herring or a distraction from real societal issues. Something along the lines of "sell us your rights and the device that doesn't really belong to you will not be stolen from us, I mean you."
  - simondotau 2y ago
    I'm glad to hear you've never had anything stolen and aren't planning to have anything stolen in the future. That's a great plan and I'm kicking myself for not thinking of it myself. Oh and here's a great money saving tip: if you've never been in a car accident, don't waste your money on car insurance. Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from Apple. I do buy Apple products fully aware of the relationship I'm entering into and I'm very happy with it. I consider activation lock to be a positive feature which increases the value of an iPhone for me. An article from 2015: https://techcrunch.com/2015/02/11/apples-activation-lock-leads-to-big-drops-in-smartphone-theft-worldwide/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/02/11/apples-activation-lock-lea...

TiredOfLife 2y ago

And that is weird. Apple gives Chinese government direct access to user data. Apple obeys every demand from China and Russia. Meanwhile Meta communications director Andy Stone just got 6 years in russian prison for allowing people to say mean things about russia.

dustypotato 2y ago
"Got" as in got convicted in absentia. He's not in prison!