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Those graphs are absolutely vile. I kept wondering how anyone who chooses hard-to-read shonky 3d bar charts like that could possibly perform a decent statistic
by metabrew 14y ago
Those graphs are absolutely vile.
I kept wondering how anyone who chooses hard-to-read shonky 3d bar charts like that could possibly perform a decent statistical analysis.
- wr1472 14y agoAgreed, not the prettiest graphics, but you shouldn't dismiss the data & findings because of it. Unless of course you judge the validity of a study based on the appearance of its graphs?
- davidjohnstone 14y agoWell, the title of the blog post is "First impressions count". Also, the irony of that title, and the way this is a second go at this blog post...
- dnda 14y agoTo me, authors decision to use terrible 3D graphs and non zero Y axis makes makes me suspicious of his other decisions and comments.
- john_horton 14y agoAgree that 3D graphs are terrible, but it's a canard that y-axes always need to start at 0 and that doing anything else is somehow misleading. On this point, see http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/axes-of-evil/ http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/14/axes-of-evil/
- aaronjg 14y agoY-axis need to start at zero when the data being presented is a bar graph and the bar is filled in. If it is a scatter plot with points being plotted, then it's generally not misleading to shift the axis.
- john_horton 14y agoI don't disagree with that - a bar chart that doesn't start at zero can be misleading. But for what he was trying to do---compare means---it would have been a perfectly fine choice to do a lineplot/very thin bar plot and start the y-axes somewhere other than zero if he included error bars and clearly labeled things. http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=00003q http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0...
- jisaacstone 14y agoAnnoyed me so much I quit reading half way through. Not just that it is ugly, but also hard to read. ugh.
- bvi 14y agoGraphs updated, as noted above.