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> Making vine in Antarctic is just anti-economic, but not technologically impossible. Would somebody agree to pay one billion dollars each bottle, we would have

> Making vine in Antarctic is just anti-economic, but not technologically impossible. Would somebody agree to pay one billion dollars each bottle, we would have a crop of polar vine in a few years. This is for sure, grapes can be cultivated in a big pot Exactly the main point of this thread…

pvaldes 2y ago
Freixenet is a big company. [If the demand was sustained] they should have all the economical muscle necessary to bring the amount of water that grapes need. This should be seen in a bigger economical perspective. Since 2017, around 8000 Spanish companies quit Catalonia (including many, if not all, of the really big ones like banks and car makers). They have a strong touristic sector, but lost a lot of muscle in other areas by their separatist adventures. The main problem with that wine maker could be that they were fiercely Catalonian, but against the separatism so they got crushed between two fronts. Their own local government recommended -not- to buy Freixenet products. Do you imagine the Texas governor saying publicly "don't buy products of Texas"?. Maybe this layoff is just a way to press the local government, I don't know. Many of the things happening in the so called Spanish Donbass are just insane. Some of the problems with the water in the region are just by neglect of the infrastructures that leak, other by criminal wildfires, and in other cases the water is being directly stolen. All the money to fix that, was divested to promote the language and national identity.
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- dandellion 2y ago
  Website with historical data showing that the last year has been by far the driest in the last 40 years in the Barcelona area: https://www.meteoblue.com/en/climate-change/barcelona_spain_3128760 https://www.meteoblue.com/en/climate-change/barcelona_spain_.... Just in case, this comment is not to try and convince you. It's to show everybody else you don't know what you're talking about. I'm sure you'll be happy to ignore the data and come up with some more absurd reasons that fit your political narrative.
  - pvaldes 2y ago
    Yes, is hot. And dry. But only one big wine maker is firing people, so maybe the other found a magical solution? like bringing water to the crops?. What you don't understand is that shouldn't be an unsolvable obstacle for this particular case, because is a crop that likes dry and hot conditions, and we talk about a luxury product that is not necessarily cheap so there should be some margin to act. Maybe the real problem is that is hot, and dry, AND in 2022 Catalonia lost a quarter of its water by leakage or thievery [1]. Without that Freixenet wouldn't had been hit by the water restrictions of, surprise, 25% water less allowed for industrial uses [2] And don't make me start about man-made wildfires sucking the land dry. [1] https://www.lavanguardia.com/local/catalunya/20230402/8872015/catalunya-desperdicia-cuarta-parte-agua-fugas.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/local/catalunya/20230402/887201... [2] https://elpais.com/espana/catalunya/2024-02-13/cataluna-comienza-a-multar-a-la-industria-por-incumplir-las-restricciones-antisequia.html https://elpais.com/espana/catalunya/2024-02-13/cataluna-comi...
    - pvaldes 2y ago
      What I'm trying to say is that a bad situation like those provoked by El Niño can always turn into a catastrophic one by bad decisions, that aren't related with climate change. Without this tragedy of commons situation with every farmer and company and pool owner using as much water as possible, the problem would had been much more bearable.
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pvaldes 2y ago

Freixenet is a big company. [If the demand was sustained] they should have all the economical muscle necessary to bring the amount of water that grapes need. This should be seen in a bigger economical perspective. Since 2017, around 8000 Spanish companies quit Catalonia (including many, if not all, of the really big ones like banks and car makers). They have a strong touristic sector, but lost a lot of muscle in other areas by their separatist adventures. The main problem with that wine maker could be that they were fiercely Catalonian, but against the separatism so they got crushed between two fronts. Their own local government recommended -not- to buy Freixenet products. Do you imagine the Texas governor saying publicly "don't buy products of Texas"?. Maybe this layoff is just a way to press the local government, I don't know. Many of the things happening in the so called Spanish Donbass are just insane. Some of the problems with the water in the region are just by neglect of the infrastructures that leak, other by criminal wildfires, and in other cases the water is being directly stolen. All the money to fix that, was divested to promote the language and national identity.

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dandellion 2y ago
Website with historical data showing that the last year has been by far the driest in the last 40 years in the Barcelona area: https://www.meteoblue.com/en/climate-change/barcelona_spain_3128760 https://www.meteoblue.com/en/climate-change/barcelona_spain_.... Just in case, this comment is not to try and convince you. It's to show everybody else you don't know what you're talking about. I'm sure you'll be happy to ignore the data and come up with some more absurd reasons that fit your political narrative.
- pvaldes 2y ago
  Yes, is hot. And dry. But only one big wine maker is firing people, so maybe the other found a magical solution? like bringing water to the crops?. What you don't understand is that shouldn't be an unsolvable obstacle for this particular case, because is a crop that likes dry and hot conditions, and we talk about a luxury product that is not necessarily cheap so there should be some margin to act. Maybe the real problem is that is hot, and dry, AND in 2022 Catalonia lost a quarter of its water by leakage or thievery [1]. Without that Freixenet wouldn't had been hit by the water restrictions of, surprise, 25% water less allowed for industrial uses [2] And don't make me start about man-made wildfires sucking the land dry. [1] https://www.lavanguardia.com/local/catalunya/20230402/8872015/catalunya-desperdicia-cuarta-parte-agua-fugas.html https://www.lavanguardia.com/local/catalunya/20230402/887201... [2] https://elpais.com/espana/catalunya/2024-02-13/cataluna-comienza-a-multar-a-la-industria-por-incumplir-las-restricciones-antisequia.html https://elpais.com/espana/catalunya/2024-02-13/cataluna-comi...
  - pvaldes 2y ago
    What I'm trying to say is that a bad situation like those provoked by El Niño can always turn into a catastrophic one by bad decisions, that aren't related with climate change. Without this tragedy of commons situation with every farmer and company and pool owner using as much water as possible, the problem would had been much more bearable.
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