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Once again we have the latest Google marketing piece hitting the top of HN, getting tired of it (already commented about this here: http://news.ycombinator.com/

by j_col 14y ago

Once again we have the latest Google marketing piece hitting the top of HN, getting tired of it (already commented about this here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3898130 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3898130). Also note that this one is being used to market Chrome, even to Firefox users, which is pretty insidious. See this tweet with screenshot from Dave Flanagan: https://twitter.com/__DavidFlanagan/status/205166128178282496 https://twitter.com/__DavidFlanagan/status/20516612817828249...

chrislo 14y ago
The Web Audio API is being standardised as part of the W3C Audio WG (disclaimer: of which I am a member). We have a number of browser vendors on board, including Mozilla, and have recently reached a consensus to push forward with the (webkit-proposed) Web Audio API rather than the Mozilla-proposed MediaStream processing API and Audio Data API. You can find much more information here: http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Main_Page http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Main_Page We'd really welcome input from developers and browser implementers at any stage.
jsprinkles 14y ago
In the series of comments you linked to you indicate that you work at Google. Based upon the rest of your comment history, I'd posit that your resentment and distrust of Google isn't healthy for you or the company and that you should consider leaving. If I were your lead, I'd fire you (but refer you elsewhere, if technically savvy), simply because your attitude seems to indicate that a positive working relationship isn't possible between you and Google. Nobody has to agree with everything an employer does (ever), and I certainly don't agree with everything my employers do -- sometimes, that disagreement was public when I posted comments here under my real name. This was always a passing phenomenon, though, something like this: > I think we could do better at X, and I'm definitely hearing what you're saying. You, on the other hand, have months upon months of comments that betray a, to steal your word, insidious resentment of the company that you work for. You are semi anonymous, which is good for you but a terrible representation of Google; there is only one comment that I found where you forget to say "their" and you instead say "our". I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole, but I've seen you for a long time be negative about Google, and I don't think continuing to work there is going to make it any better for you or the company. There's a legally-questionable comment in your history, too, regarding ongoing litigation, which at my employer would be an immediate termination. EDIT: I went back far enough to find that you're not anonymous.
- j_col 14y ago
  I'm sorry, but I think you must be responding to me by mistake. I never worked for Google, no idea where you got that from.
  - jsprinkles 14y ago
    http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3901899 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3901899 If you don't work at Google, your wording is a suspiciously odd mistake, and a misrepresentation.
    - j_col 14y ago
      Yes, and where do I say there that I work at Google?
      - jsprinkles 14y ago
        Holy shit, really? You're really not seeing this? Let's start at the parent[1] and paraphrase. > OP: <joke about free time> >> You: I'd rather they do something other than doodles with their time. >>> Commenter: Oh, but the doodles solve real problems! >>>> You: Google's doodles perpetuate the image that the CORPORATION I WORK AT is a fun place to be, helping to improve OUR image and attract the right recruits. Whose image are the doodles improving other than Google's? What is the intended company for recruits that are tickled by a Google Doodle? You say the words "I work at" and "our" in your comment. I resent having to explain this word by word. I now see an alternative explanation, which would be that you're responding to "real problems" instead, but your timing is extraordinarily awkward if that is the case and makes no sense in context. Obviously, I left that comment with the impression that you work for Google. It was only after I stared at it for fifteen minutes as a result of this discussion that I realized there could be an alternative meaning. You need to be more careful about how you word things. [1]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3898055 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3898055
        j_col 14y ago
deelowe 14y ago
It's pretty well known that Google uses doodles and other quirky things to showcase cool features of new web technologies (eg. pacman). This is showcasing the new(ish) web audio API. I think it's a neat way to get some eyes on what's happening on the web these days. It promotes the open web and I'm glad there are a few big companies out there who are pushing these things forward. If you don't like the post, downvote, but there's a reason why most techies like these sort of tech demos and we especially like it when we see a big company using them.
- j_col 14y ago
  While I somewhat agree with you're comment, however you're not addressing the fact that Google is using this to push their web browser Chrome.
  - jerf 14y ago
    Here's me addressing it: I don't care. They aren't locking other browsers out (my FF 11 on Linux is working adequately). They're going to market regardless, I'd rather see things like this than raw ads. I assume you never use Google since they just use search to push their ads?
    - j_col 14y ago
      Well it seems that Google seemed to care enough to change it: https://twitter.com/__DavidFlanagan/status/205420073043755010 https://twitter.com/__DavidFlanagan/status/20542007304375501... Kudos to Google for fixing this.
  - deelowe 14y ago
    As long as those features are standards compliant, I'm fine with it. This type of competition is a good thing (tm). It pushes the web forward.

by j_col 14y ago

chrislo 14y ago

The Web Audio API is being standardised as part of the W3C Audio WG (disclaimer: of which I am a member). We have a number of browser vendors on board, including Mozilla, and have recently reached a consensus to push forward with the (webkit-proposed) Web Audio API rather than the Mozilla-proposed MediaStream processing API and Audio Data API. You can find much more information here: http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Main_Page http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Main_Page We'd really welcome input from developers and browser implementers at any stage.

jsprinkles 14y ago

In the series of comments you linked to you indicate that you work at Google. Based upon the rest of your comment history, I'd posit that your resentment and distrust of Google isn't healthy for you or the company and that you should consider leaving. If I were your lead, I'd fire you (but refer you elsewhere, if technically savvy), simply because your attitude seems to indicate that a positive working relationship isn't possible between you and Google. Nobody has to agree with everything an employer does (ever), and I certainly don't agree with everything my employers do -- sometimes, that disagreement was public when I posted comments here under my real name. This was always a passing phenomenon, though, something like this: > I think we could do better at X, and I'm definitely hearing what you're saying. You, on the other hand, have months upon months of comments that betray a, to steal your word, insidious resentment of the company that you work for. You are semi anonymous, which is good for you but a terrible representation of Google; there is only one comment that I found where you forget to say "their" and you instead say "our". I'm genuinely not trying to be an asshole, but I've seen you for a long time be negative about Google, and I don't think continuing to work there is going to make it any better for you or the company. There's a legally-questionable comment in your history, too, regarding ongoing litigation, which at my employer would be an immediate termination. EDIT: I went back far enough to find that you're not anonymous.

j_col 14y ago
I'm sorry, but I think you must be responding to me by mistake. I never worked for Google, no idea where you got that from.
- jsprinkles 14y ago
  http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3901899 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3901899 If you don't work at Google, your wording is a suspiciously odd mistake, and a misrepresentation.
  - j_col 14y ago
    Yes, and where do I say there that I work at Google?
    - jsprinkles 14y ago
      Holy shit, really? You're really not seeing this? Let's start at the parent[1] and paraphrase. > OP: <joke about free time> >> You: I'd rather they do something other than doodles with their time. >>> Commenter: Oh, but the doodles solve real problems! >>>> You: Google's doodles perpetuate the image that the CORPORATION I WORK AT is a fun place to be, helping to improve OUR image and attract the right recruits. Whose image are the doodles improving other than Google's? What is the intended company for recruits that are tickled by a Google Doodle? You say the words "I work at" and "our" in your comment. I resent having to explain this word by word. I now see an alternative explanation, which would be that you're responding to "real problems" instead, but your timing is extraordinarily awkward if that is the case and makes no sense in context. Obviously, I left that comment with the impression that you work for Google. It was only after I stared at it for fifteen minutes as a result of this discussion that I realized there could be an alternative meaning. You need to be more careful about how you word things. [1]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3898055 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3898055
      - j_col 14y ago

deelowe 14y ago

It's pretty well known that Google uses doodles and other quirky things to showcase cool features of new web technologies (eg. pacman). This is showcasing the new(ish) web audio API. I think it's a neat way to get some eyes on what's happening on the web these days. It promotes the open web and I'm glad there are a few big companies out there who are pushing these things forward. If you don't like the post, downvote, but there's a reason why most techies like these sort of tech demos and we especially like it when we see a big company using them.

j_col 14y ago
While I somewhat agree with you're comment, however you're not addressing the fact that Google is using this to push their web browser Chrome.
- jerf 14y ago
  Here's me addressing it: I don't care. They aren't locking other browsers out (my FF 11 on Linux is working adequately). They're going to market regardless, I'd rather see things like this than raw ads. I assume you never use Google since they just use search to push their ads?
  - j_col 14y ago
    Well it seems that Google seemed to care enough to change it: https://twitter.com/__DavidFlanagan/status/205420073043755010 https://twitter.com/__DavidFlanagan/status/20542007304375501... Kudos to Google for fixing this.
- deelowe 14y ago
  As long as those features are standards compliant, I'm fine with it. This type of competition is a good thing (tm). It pushes the web forward.