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This seems to be true for many plastics but PET seems to prove to be valuable as recycling material. The Lidl Schwarz group actually went into recycling recentl

by riedel 3y ago

This seems to be true for many plastics but PET seems to prove to be valuable as recycling material. The Lidl Schwarz group actually went into recycling recently and I doubt that they do it for feel good [0] . I also doubt that most of mixed packaging but also tons of coated card board has any chance of recycling. [0] https://gruppe.schwarz/en/press/archive/2021/lidl-and-kaufland-100-percent-recycled-pet https://gruppe.schwarz/en/press/archive/2021/lidl-and-kaufla...

Iulioh 3y ago
There are 3 tier of plastic Plastic bottles Some kinds of food containers Everything else Plastic bottles are the only profitable-ish plastic to recycle. Often the only possible. The "food containers" are profitable to recycle only where the labor is VERY cheap. Everything else is better off burned than doing anything else with it. Personally i say burn it all, everything else is too carbon intensive and the filtration systems on good burner plants provide better air than the environment surrounding them
- Workaccount2 3y ago
  Releasing all the CO2 from plastic would be an incredibly dumb move. Just shred it and pack it in old mines deep underground.
  - Iulioh 3y ago
    Energy is energy, we need that anyway. And the amount of trash we produce is mind blowingly big, no mines are big enough for 1 day of trash collecting.
Wowfunhappy 3y ago
The article mentions this. The author is arguing that even for PET, the recycling process is toxic to human health. > Trying to recycle plastic makes the microplastics problem even worse. A study of just one plastics recycling facility discovered that it might be washing 3 million pounds of microplastics into its wastewater every year — all of which ends up being deposited in our city water systems or dumped into the environment. > At this very moment, we all have microplastics coursing through our bodies. This is not the fault of not enough recycling. This is the fault of too much plastic. So I say: Let’s treat plastic like the toxic waste it is and send it where it can hurt people the least. Right now, that place is the landfill.
rasz 3y ago
>Lidl Schwarz group actually went into recycling Because of EU vide law. https://www.surfrider.eu/learn/news/the-deposit-return-scheme-for-the-reuse-of-packaging-and-the-reduction-of-plastic-pollution/ https://www.surfrider.eu/learn/news/the-deposit-return-schem... >valuable Its not valuable, its the thread of fines for not fulfilling EU regulation on accepting plastic bottle returns. https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20240318-activists-say-eu-s-proposed-deposit-refund-schemes-are-false-solution-to-plastic-pollution https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20240318-activists-s...
- riedel 3y ago
  In Germany we already have a deposit scheme for a long time. You can actually return PET bottles anywhere. That does not mean that the company that gets the bottles back recycles them. However, it is an opportunity because you will get back rather pure PET.
  - rasz 3y ago
    Yes, and guess where all those returned bottles go :( https://wielun.naszemiasto.pl/kolejny-pozar-skladowiska-w-naszym-regionie-tym-razem-w/ar/c1-8401231 https://wielun.naszemiasto.pl/kolejny-pozar-skladowiska-w-na... https://portalkomunalny.pl/gospodarka-odpadami/pozary-skladowiska-odpady/ https://portalkomunalny.pl/gospodarka-odpadami/pozary-sklado... https://zielona.interia.pl/wiadomosci/polska/news-pozary-odpadow-to-w-polsce-prawdziwa-plaga-mafia-zarabia-na-n,nId,5974478 https://zielona.interia.pl/wiadomosci/polska/news-pozary-odp... https://zielona.interia.pl/smieci-plastik/news-odpady-jak-kukulcze-jajo-przerzucanie-smieci-trwa-w-najlepsze,nId,5972513 https://zielona.interia.pl/smieci-plastik/news-odpady-jak-ku... EU "recycling" turned to Poland after China banned plastic garbage imports. There have been illegal garbage dumps (plastic and other hazardous substances from the west of EU) burning in Poland for over 10 years now, usually couple a month up to one a week. Its run by organized crime, how it works: Goon rents a warehouse/piece of land in Poland claiming to be a transportation/construction/recycling company usually using forged documents or homeless person fronting whole thing. Gets paid to remove hazardous waste from UK/Scandinavia/Germany, stockpiles until place is full. Finally either sets the place on fire to cover tracks, or the owner stops receiving payments, discovers whats stored on his property and decides to take insurance hit instead of having his assets blocked for several years while courts try to figure out if/what/who is going to pay for lawful disposal. Recycling plastic is a HUGE LIE.

by riedel 3y ago

Iulioh 3y ago

There are 3 tier of plastic Plastic bottles Some kinds of food containers Everything else Plastic bottles are the only profitable-ish plastic to recycle. Often the only possible. The "food containers" are profitable to recycle only where the labor is VERY cheap. Everything else is better off burned than doing anything else with it. Personally i say burn it all, everything else is too carbon intensive and the filtration systems on good burner plants provide better air than the environment surrounding them

Workaccount2 3y ago
Releasing all the CO2 from plastic would be an incredibly dumb move. Just shred it and pack it in old mines deep underground.
- Iulioh 3y ago
  Energy is energy, we need that anyway. And the amount of trash we produce is mind blowingly big, no mines are big enough for 1 day of trash collecting.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago

The article mentions this. The author is arguing that even for PET, the recycling process is toxic to human health. > Trying to recycle plastic makes the microplastics problem even worse. A study of just one plastics recycling facility discovered that it might be washing 3 million pounds of microplastics into its wastewater every year — all of which ends up being deposited in our city water systems or dumped into the environment. > At this very moment, we all have microplastics coursing through our bodies. This is not the fault of not enough recycling. This is the fault of too much plastic. So I say: Let’s treat plastic like the toxic waste it is and send it where it can hurt people the least. Right now, that place is the landfill.

rasz 3y ago

>Lidl Schwarz group actually went into recycling Because of EU vide law. https://www.surfrider.eu/learn/news/the-deposit-return-scheme-for-the-reuse-of-packaging-and-the-reduction-of-plastic-pollution/ https://www.surfrider.eu/learn/news/the-deposit-return-schem... >valuable Its not valuable, its the thread of fines for not fulfilling EU regulation on accepting plastic bottle returns. https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20240318-activists-say-eu-s-proposed-deposit-refund-schemes-are-false-solution-to-plastic-pollution https://www.france24.com/en/environment/20240318-activists-s...

riedel 3y ago
In Germany we already have a deposit scheme for a long time. You can actually return PET bottles anywhere. That does not mean that the company that gets the bottles back recycles them. However, it is an opportunity because you will get back rather pure PET.
- rasz 3y ago
  Yes, and guess where all those returned bottles go :( https://wielun.naszemiasto.pl/kolejny-pozar-skladowiska-w-naszym-regionie-tym-razem-w/ar/c1-8401231 https://wielun.naszemiasto.pl/kolejny-pozar-skladowiska-w-na... https://portalkomunalny.pl/gospodarka-odpadami/pozary-skladowiska-odpady/ https://portalkomunalny.pl/gospodarka-odpadami/pozary-sklado... https://zielona.interia.pl/wiadomosci/polska/news-pozary-odpadow-to-w-polsce-prawdziwa-plaga-mafia-zarabia-na-n,nId,5974478 https://zielona.interia.pl/wiadomosci/polska/news-pozary-odp... https://zielona.interia.pl/smieci-plastik/news-odpady-jak-kukulcze-jajo-przerzucanie-smieci-trwa-w-najlepsze,nId,5972513 https://zielona.interia.pl/smieci-plastik/news-odpady-jak-ku... EU "recycling" turned to Poland after China banned plastic garbage imports. There have been illegal garbage dumps (plastic and other hazardous substances from the west of EU) burning in Poland for over 10 years now, usually couple a month up to one a week. Its run by organized crime, how it works: Goon rents a warehouse/piece of land in Poland claiming to be a transportation/construction/recycling company usually using forged documents or homeless person fronting whole thing. Gets paid to remove hazardous waste from UK/Scandinavia/Germany, stockpiles until place is full. Finally either sets the place on fire to cover tracks, or the owner stops receiving payments, discovers whats stored on his property and decides to take insurance hit instead of having his assets blocked for several years while courts try to figure out if/what/who is going to pay for lawful disposal. Recycling plastic is a HUGE LIE.