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100k/yr is not reasonable for Bay Area, let alone top talent. There are people working on it making $1M/yr+. Junior developers straight out of college are makin

100k/yr is not reasonable for Bay Area, let alone top talent. There are people working on it making $1M/yr+. Junior developers straight out of college are making more at Meta. You're also assuming everything went to just engineering payroll, which is obviously not true.

araes 3y ago
Then FB/Meta's throwing money out the door on people who demonstrably do not deserve $1M+/yr. And on that topic, same with Wikipedia, why "must" you have your development base in the most expensive place on the West Coast? Per https://www.gamedevmap.com/ https://www.gamedevmap.com/ there are Many other, less expensive, locations. America has a bunch, even Africa has gamedevs. They're an International megacorp, with 3 billion monthly active user (probably still a lot of dupes). India has the largest FB audience (366 million, 2024), not America (100 million). Will an Indian developer make you a launch app for less than $1M+/yr? New Dehli has 17 game studios (including Riot Games) and Mumbai has 33 (Ubisoft Mumbai and Pune).
- danielmarkbruce 3y ago
  How is it demonstrable that they aren't worth $1m per year? While in many cases folks are overpaid in big tech, some of them are insanely talented people who can do things others simply cannot.
  - bobsomers 3y ago
    > How is it demonstrable that they aren't worth $1m per year? Probably because of this: > How does any company burn $36 billion on a headset they got handed a prototype for?
    - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
      That's confusing the decision to work on something with the quality of the folks working on it. Brilliant engineers often work on things which are risky from a market perspective. It doesn't make them less brilliant at engineering when it turns out there isn't a market for the thing. John Carmack appears to be brilliant. I'd guess he would admit the VR market didn't turn out as hoped.
      - lostmsu 3y ago
        > he would admit the VR market didn't turn out as hoped That's not what he said though. What he said is that Meta is basically incompetent.
        danielmarkbruce 3y ago
        And from a leadership perspective it might well be / might have been. I don't think he ever criticized the quality of engineers there.
throwup238 3y ago
The numbers aren't all that much more palatable at 24,000 man-years, assuming $1M average TC. That's equivalent to the amount of labor it took to build some of the minor Egyptian pyramids.

araes 3y ago

Then FB/Meta's throwing money out the door on people who demonstrably do not deserve $1M+/yr. And on that topic, same with Wikipedia, why "must" you have your development base in the most expensive place on the West Coast? Per https://www.gamedevmap.com/ https://www.gamedevmap.com/ there are Many other, less expensive, locations. America has a bunch, even Africa has gamedevs. They're an International megacorp, with 3 billion monthly active user (probably still a lot of dupes). India has the largest FB audience (366 million, 2024), not America (100 million). Will an Indian developer make you a launch app for less than $1M+/yr? New Dehli has 17 game studios (including Riot Games) and Mumbai has 33 (Ubisoft Mumbai and Pune).

danielmarkbruce 3y ago
How is it demonstrable that they aren't worth $1m per year? While in many cases folks are overpaid in big tech, some of them are insanely talented people who can do things others simply cannot.
- bobsomers 3y ago
  > How is it demonstrable that they aren't worth $1m per year? Probably because of this: > How does any company burn $36 billion on a headset they got handed a prototype for?
  - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
    That's confusing the decision to work on something with the quality of the folks working on it. Brilliant engineers often work on things which are risky from a market perspective. It doesn't make them less brilliant at engineering when it turns out there isn't a market for the thing. John Carmack appears to be brilliant. I'd guess he would admit the VR market didn't turn out as hoped.
    - lostmsu 3y ago
      > he would admit the VR market didn't turn out as hoped That's not what he said though. What he said is that Meta is basically incompetent.
      - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
        And from a leadership perspective it might well be / might have been. I don't think he ever criticized the quality of engineers there.

throwup238 3y ago

The numbers aren't all that much more palatable at 24,000 man-years, assuming $1M average TC. That's equivalent to the amount of labor it took to build some of the minor Egyptian pyramids.