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> And we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms. It so

> And we encourage the Google Play 2D app store to come to Meta Horizon OS, where it can operate with the same economic model it does on other platforms. It sounds like they are specifically not open to third party app stores selling native AR/VR ("3D") apps. I can see why Google might not want to participate if they're not allowed to compete. This feels like a response to complaints that Meta is hypocritical when complaining about closed platforms while running one themselves. But they aren't open sourcing the OS. I don't know why any OEMs would want to compete with Meta's hardware subsidized by app store revenue when they continue to own the exclusive store for native AR/VR apps. Maybe there's an app revenue share to sweeten the deal for hardware partners?

bsimpson 3y ago
I think you're overindexing on "2D." The Play store is full of flat apps, designed for phones and tablets. There are a gajillion of them, and FB wants them in their headsets. It's not about not wanting competition - it's about wanting people to have more than 100 apps available when they use a Meta headset.
- int_19h 3y ago
  But why would I as a user want to use those flat apps in VR, when I already have a phone and a tablet?
  - modeless 3y ago
    On current headsets, just because it's annoying to have to take the headset off to do things, and also to be able to use those apps in conjunction with other services like meetings in Horizon Workrooms. On future headsets with higher resolution and better comfort, because it would be a legitimately better experience in many cases.
  - chaostheory 3y ago
    Have you seen the Apple Vision demo(s)? Now imagine being able to have wall sized versions of Android apps like Netflix or even word processing apps like Google Docs.
  - wvenable 3y ago
    Is that what the majority of Vision Pro users are doing in VR? Projecting flat monitors around.
    - int_19h 3y ago
      I can see the point of projecting a huge flat monitor in VR to, say, write code on it. A mobile app, not so much.
      - 0x457 3y ago
        Well, kinda required for proper usage IMO. Let's forget display limitations and pretend I can project a giant code editor straight onto my eyeballs. I don't care about it if I have to take it off, to do any of the following: - Watch YouTube as I do something else - Listen to music and have control over the player I can see myself wearing a headset playing TFT, watching YouTube and have a build guide open in a browser. I can currently do it on an iPad and Vision Pro - https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1akjfpj/league_in_vision_pro_works/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1akjfpj/le... (different game, but you get the idea).
- modeless 3y ago
  That's what it's about for Meta, sure. But for Google it would be about selling apps on a headset, and being prohibited from selling the native type of app for the platform would be pretty bad! Meta wants to have their cake and eat it too. If it's their intention to allow third party stores to sell native Quest AR/VR apps on the headset in competition with their own store, they should state that explicitly because what's written here pretty carefully doesn't imply that. I don't think we can just assume what isn't stated here.
cmiles74 3y ago
This seems like trying to come up with an answer to Apple Vision's ability to run iOS apps. If you can install apps from Google Play then you could, if you wanted to, check your email from inside your headset. I'm not sure many people would want to do that, but if Apple thinks it's a good idea, blah blah blah.
- jayd16 3y ago
  Its not a killer feature, but having to take off the headset to read mail or slack or whatever is a real drag. It will quickly become table stakes.
modeless 3y ago
Sorry for the double post. One of my comments was moved here from a different submission so now there are two top level comments from me, and I can't edit or delete them because the edit window has closed.
TiredOfLife 3y ago
https://sidequestvr.com/ https://sidequestvr.com/ exists. Also Google is pushing their new AndroidXR os behind the scenes (after they killed Daydreams).

bsimpson 3y ago

I think you're overindexing on "2D." The Play store is full of flat apps, designed for phones and tablets. There are a gajillion of them, and FB wants them in their headsets. It's not about not wanting competition - it's about wanting people to have more than 100 apps available when they use a Meta headset.

int_19h 3y ago
But why would I as a user want to use those flat apps in VR, when I already have a phone and a tablet?
- modeless 3y ago
  On current headsets, just because it's annoying to have to take the headset off to do things, and also to be able to use those apps in conjunction with other services like meetings in Horizon Workrooms. On future headsets with higher resolution and better comfort, because it would be a legitimately better experience in many cases.
- chaostheory 3y ago
  Have you seen the Apple Vision demo(s)? Now imagine being able to have wall sized versions of Android apps like Netflix or even word processing apps like Google Docs.
- wvenable 3y ago
  Is that what the majority of Vision Pro users are doing in VR? Projecting flat monitors around.
  - int_19h 3y ago
    I can see the point of projecting a huge flat monitor in VR to, say, write code on it. A mobile app, not so much.
    - 0x457 3y ago
      Well, kinda required for proper usage IMO. Let's forget display limitations and pretend I can project a giant code editor straight onto my eyeballs. I don't care about it if I have to take it off, to do any of the following: - Watch YouTube as I do something else - Listen to music and have control over the player I can see myself wearing a headset playing TFT, watching YouTube and have a build guide open in a browser. I can currently do it on an iPad and Vision Pro - https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1akjfpj/league_in_vision_pro_works/ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1akjfpj/le... (different game, but you get the idea).
modeless 3y ago
That's what it's about for Meta, sure. But for Google it would be about selling apps on a headset, and being prohibited from selling the native type of app for the platform would be pretty bad! Meta wants to have their cake and eat it too. If it's their intention to allow third party stores to sell native Quest AR/VR apps on the headset in competition with their own store, they should state that explicitly because what's written here pretty carefully doesn't imply that. I don't think we can just assume what isn't stated here.

cmiles74 3y ago

This seems like trying to come up with an answer to Apple Vision's ability to run iOS apps. If you can install apps from Google Play then you could, if you wanted to, check your email from inside your headset. I'm not sure many people would want to do that, but if Apple thinks it's a good idea, blah blah blah.

jayd16 3y ago
Its not a killer feature, but having to take off the headset to read mail or slack or whatever is a real drag. It will quickly become table stakes.

modeless 3y ago

Sorry for the double post. One of my comments was moved here from a different submission so now there are two top level comments from me, and I can't edit or delete them because the edit window has closed.

TiredOfLife 3y ago

https://sidequestvr.com/ https://sidequestvr.com/ exists. Also Google is pushing their new AndroidXR os behind the scenes (after they killed Daydreams).