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Why can't you play BeatSaber without mods?

by bagels 3y ago

yuck39 3y ago
The out of the box track selection is quite weak. The game depends on community made tracks to make it playable in the long term.
munk-a 3y ago
You can - it's just far less fun than BeatSaber with mods. The biggest improvement is from being able to select from the community list of songs that are available that may better suit your taste than the songs that come built in. It's a rhythm game so using a rhythm you like makes it much more fun.
- jsheard 3y ago
  Besides song choice, the community also produces higher quality charts than the official ones, and offers difficulty that scales much higher. Lunatics like these can't be sated by the official songs: https://youtu.be/CKwX349aV98 https://youtu.be/CKwX349aV98 https://youtu.be/sJQSy3KG-oQ?t=33 https://youtu.be/sJQSy3KG-oQ?t=33 That first chart averages 12 notes per second for 5 straight minutes and the player only missed a single note.
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Scaling even higher?? Lol I can't even play on medium difficulty on the built-in ones. I don't know how people keep up with the high tracks.
    - munk-a 3y ago
      I assume there are sort of natural skill ceilings but if you practice with more difficult scenarios and really push yourself you'd be amazed at what you can do. I've got an essential tremor[1] and I usually play on Expert+ for the vanilla tracks which is usually do-able for me. 1. On that note - my tremor does hurt me here too but unlike twitch shooters (which I loved before my tremor got bad) and things like guitar hero (which require comparatively precise movement) beat saber is usually pretty forgiving about precision of placement and angles - so long as your rhythm is correct you can go pretty far with it.
micromacrofoot 3y ago
because they want to use songs they didn't pay for
- bowsamic 3y ago
  How do you know that??
  - idle_zealot 3y ago
    No, that's basically correct. Mods are primarily for downloading community-made tracks/maps for songs not included with the game. There are also officially licensed DLC song packs, but they're quite pricy and still only provide access to a limited selection of tracks.
  - NikolaNovak 3y ago
    That's literally what the mods do :). There's moral discussions to be had I'm sure, but the purpose of the beat sabre mods is pretty factual :).
    - prophesi 3y ago
      Not quite; piracy of the paid DLC is one thing, but modding is to add songs (which should be read as, entire Beatsaber custom-made tracks) that otherwise are not available through any other avenues.
- tarxvf 3y ago
  More likely because they want to use songs that aren't offered except by modding.
- waffleiron 3y ago
  If I paid for the song (even somewhere else, even on a subscription like spotify/apple music), I should be able to dance/move to it. I don't think one should have to re-buy every song in a videogame. Especially when the work is done for free to put in the dance moves by modders.
idle_zealot 3y ago
Lack of any songs I actually care about, and the actual note mapping from the devs has been pretty bad up until recently. The modding community has had them beat for ages. Without mods the game would be a breif curiosity before I got bored with the provided songs, most of which don't suit my taste.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
Mind that "mods" includes "custom tracks". OG BeatSaber comes with a small-ish selection of tracks, most of them obscure and not generally known. Good or bad, they get boring quickly. Modding lets you expand to arbitrary number of tracks, including pretty much all the ones you like. It's what makes it fun and worth returning to. Not being able to add your own music, makes BeatSaber not worth the sticker price (much less if you're getting Oculus just to play it). Also note that people were used to this capability, because before BeatSaber became a poster child for Oculus, it was streamed to other headsets from PC, where adding custom tracks was tacitly allowed.

Why can't you play BeatSaber without mods?

by bagels 3y ago

Why can't you play BeatSaber without mods?

The out of the box track selection is quite weak. The game depends on community made tracks to make it playable in the long term.

munk-a 3y ago

You can - it's just far less fun than BeatSaber with mods. The biggest improvement is from being able to select from the community list of songs that are available that may better suit your taste than the songs that come built in. It's a rhythm game so using a rhythm you like makes it much more fun.

jsheard 3y ago
Besides song choice, the community also produces higher quality charts than the official ones, and offers difficulty that scales much higher. Lunatics like these can't be sated by the official songs: https://youtu.be/CKwX349aV98 https://youtu.be/CKwX349aV98 https://youtu.be/sJQSy3KG-oQ?t=33 https://youtu.be/sJQSy3KG-oQ?t=33 That first chart averages 12 notes per second for 5 straight minutes and the player only missed a single note.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Scaling even higher?? Lol I can't even play on medium difficulty on the built-in ones. I don't know how people keep up with the high tracks.
  - munk-a 3y ago
    I assume there are sort of natural skill ceilings but if you practice with more difficult scenarios and really push yourself you'd be amazed at what you can do. I've got an essential tremor[1] and I usually play on Expert+ for the vanilla tracks which is usually do-able for me. 1. On that note - my tremor does hurt me here too but unlike twitch shooters (which I loved before my tremor got bad) and things like guitar hero (which require comparatively precise movement) beat saber is usually pretty forgiving about precision of placement and angles - so long as your rhythm is correct you can go pretty far with it.

micromacrofoot 3y ago

because they want to use songs they didn't pay for

bowsamic 3y ago
How do you know that??
- idle_zealot 3y ago
  No, that's basically correct. Mods are primarily for downloading community-made tracks/maps for songs not included with the game. There are also officially licensed DLC song packs, but they're quite pricy and still only provide access to a limited selection of tracks.
- NikolaNovak 3y ago
  That's literally what the mods do :). There's moral discussions to be had I'm sure, but the purpose of the beat sabre mods is pretty factual :).
  - prophesi 3y ago
    Not quite; piracy of the paid DLC is one thing, but modding is to add songs (which should be read as, entire Beatsaber custom-made tracks) that otherwise are not available through any other avenues.
tarxvf 3y ago
More likely because they want to use songs that aren't offered except by modding.
waffleiron 3y ago
If I paid for the song (even somewhere else, even on a subscription like spotify/apple music), I should be able to dance/move to it. I don't think one should have to re-buy every song in a videogame. Especially when the work is done for free to put in the dance moves by modders.

idle_zealot 3y ago

Lack of any songs I actually care about, and the actual note mapping from the devs has been pretty bad up until recently. The modding community has had them beat for ages. Without mods the game would be a breif curiosity before I got bored with the provided songs, most of which don't suit my taste.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

Mind that "mods" includes "custom tracks". OG BeatSaber comes with a small-ish selection of tracks, most of them obscure and not generally known. Good or bad, they get boring quickly. Modding lets you expand to arbitrary number of tracks, including pretty much all the ones you like. It's what makes it fun and worth returning to. Not being able to add your own music, makes BeatSaber not worth the sticker price (much less if you're getting Oculus just to play it). Also note that people were used to this capability, because before BeatSaber became a poster child for Oculus, it was streamed to other headsets from PC, where adding custom tracks was tacitly allowed.