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If you continue to this road, you should plan to fund the creators that this is siphoning from, or allow them some form of consent to agree to this. What you a

If you continue to this road, you should plan to fund the creators that this is siphoning from, or allow them some form of consent to agree to this. What you are doing is, whether you’ve considered this or not, at risk of harming people who are building around video because it is financially viable. People produce these guides as videos because that’s how they can make money from them, whereas it is much more difficult to do so on a website. You need to consider the implications of what you’ve built.

rfl890 3y ago
Seems like we're adding colour to bits again.
_akhe 3y ago
Hm, is this the right take? The YouTube player is embedded on the page, giving the creator YouTube views and more exposure. And I think when a person uploads to YouTube the idea is their video will be out there - including in embeds on 3rd party sites. I just wouldn't use the word "siphoning" here. There are countless blog posts, news articles, how-to guides, etc. that will embed a video like this yet also provide supporting text for readers. I think it's a pretty normal way of sharing content. I for one am not a person who learns by watching videos, step-by-step guides work better for me. The idea that all those video tutorials could be made available as text-based guides sounds actually very useful - and I would still be very aware of who originated that content as their video is embedded right there. It would actually be great if when I search for a tutorial and the most relevant result is a video, if my browser could summarize that video the way search engines summarize results at the top or in the side bar.
- mattl 3y ago
  The YouTube player is there, poorly inserted at the bottom of the page on mobile. No attribution is provided. There's no credit given. The description from the video is not provided. People make their living from producing YouTube videos. This isn't cool at all.
  - _akhe 3y ago
    Credit is given, for example this one: https://stepify.tech/video/Y4v8abG94CU https://stepify.tech/video/Y4v8abG94CU Says "Channel: Panigale Enthusiast" and the video is at the top-right of the page very prominently displayed. On mobile - I agree it should be at the top, but for UI/UX reasons not because they're "siphoning from creators" which they are not - they are literally promoting the creators. The people making a living from YouTube will make even more money now that their embed is on this site, won't they? Are you implying they don't get the views?
    - mattl 3y ago
      Why isn't it a link to the channel? Where is the description from the video which often includes the credits for the video, including writers, editors, etc? People won't get views from this. This is taking the work of others.
      - _akhe 3y ago
        Isn't an embed better than a link? Click play vs click a link then click play? It's embedded and says the channel name in a giant font size. The creator gets the views. > People won't get views from this Do you know how YouTube embeds work?
        mattl 3y ago
        No, a link would link to the YouTube channel so it would be good as well as the embed. The creator doesn't get views unless someone clicks to play their video. Most people won't click to play the video. Also this site makes no attempt to check if a video can be embedded before displaying the text.
        _akhe 3y ago
        There's a link in the embed itself too - what is your complaint? They give credit to the creator - is your complaint that they shouldn't be allowed to summarize a video in text format? Like every blog or news that ever embeds a video does?
- shortformblog 3y ago
  It’s literally describing the entire video in a way that is intended to replace the purpose of the video, and only displays the video minimally in the context of the website. It pulls out the information without adding anything of value, while making it impossible for the creator to make money from it. This happens with text content, too. Ask publishers about the large number of AI rewrites of their content going around. The issue here is not “consumer value,” it is “publishers not able to make money on their work,” the entire point of my original comment, which your reply doesn’t mention once.
  - _akhe 3y ago
    It by definition promotes the video and the creator. > publishers not able to make money on their work Again you're wrong, the creator still gets the view and ad revenue not this third-party site where it's embedded, from YouTube: Only YouTube and the video owner will earn revenue from ads on embedded videos. The owner of the site where the video is embedded will not earn a share. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/132596?hl=en-do-i-get-paid,how-do-i-get-paid,how-do-i-earn-revenue,whats-my-revenue-share https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/132596?hl=en-do-i-...
    - shortformblog 3y ago
      I don’t know how you’re missing the bigger picture. It is taking away any reason to actually watch the video, which means nobody makes revenue from it. It is not a promotional tool—it is a replacement for the video.
      - _akhe 3y ago
        I understand your take but I don't agree. By your logic no news site could display a video at the top then summarize the video in an article. This is one of the main use cases of the YouTube embed - which gives revenue to the creator when it's played on a third-party site (and the third-party site host gets no revenue) and the YouTube creator has the option to disallow embedding their video if they don't want it embedded anywhere - it's in their control. The idea that the number of embed plays will be 0 on this site is just unfounded, and untrue as I just watched a video in an embed on this site. That creator just got a view, where otherwise I would have never seen their content, thanks to this website.

rfl890 3y ago

Seems like we're adding colour to bits again.

_akhe 3y ago

Hm, is this the right take? The YouTube player is embedded on the page, giving the creator YouTube views and more exposure. And I think when a person uploads to YouTube the idea is their video will be out there - including in embeds on 3rd party sites. I just wouldn't use the word "siphoning" here. There are countless blog posts, news articles, how-to guides, etc. that will embed a video like this yet also provide supporting text for readers. I think it's a pretty normal way of sharing content. I for one am not a person who learns by watching videos, step-by-step guides work better for me. The idea that all those video tutorials could be made available as text-based guides sounds actually very useful - and I would still be very aware of who originated that content as their video is embedded right there. It would actually be great if when I search for a tutorial and the most relevant result is a video, if my browser could summarize that video the way search engines summarize results at the top or in the side bar.

mattl 3y ago
The YouTube player is there, poorly inserted at the bottom of the page on mobile. No attribution is provided. There's no credit given. The description from the video is not provided. People make their living from producing YouTube videos. This isn't cool at all.
- _akhe 3y ago
  Credit is given, for example this one: https://stepify.tech/video/Y4v8abG94CU https://stepify.tech/video/Y4v8abG94CU Says "Channel: Panigale Enthusiast" and the video is at the top-right of the page very prominently displayed. On mobile - I agree it should be at the top, but for UI/UX reasons not because they're "siphoning from creators" which they are not - they are literally promoting the creators. The people making a living from YouTube will make even more money now that their embed is on this site, won't they? Are you implying they don't get the views?
  - mattl 3y ago
    Why isn't it a link to the channel? Where is the description from the video which often includes the credits for the video, including writers, editors, etc? People won't get views from this. This is taking the work of others.
    - _akhe 3y ago
      Isn't an embed better than a link? Click play vs click a link then click play? It's embedded and says the channel name in a giant font size. The creator gets the views. > People won't get views from this Do you know how YouTube embeds work?
      - mattl 3y ago
        No, a link would link to the YouTube channel so it would be good as well as the embed. The creator doesn't get views unless someone clicks to play their video. Most people won't click to play the video. Also this site makes no attempt to check if a video can be embedded before displaying the text.
        _akhe 3y ago
        There's a link in the embed itself too - what is your complaint? They give credit to the creator - is your complaint that they shouldn't be allowed to summarize a video in text format? Like every blog or news that ever embeds a video does?
shortformblog 3y ago
It’s literally describing the entire video in a way that is intended to replace the purpose of the video, and only displays the video minimally in the context of the website. It pulls out the information without adding anything of value, while making it impossible for the creator to make money from it. This happens with text content, too. Ask publishers about the large number of AI rewrites of their content going around. The issue here is not “consumer value,” it is “publishers not able to make money on their work,” the entire point of my original comment, which your reply doesn’t mention once.
- _akhe 3y ago
  It by definition promotes the video and the creator. > publishers not able to make money on their work Again you're wrong, the creator still gets the view and ad revenue not this third-party site where it's embedded, from YouTube: Only YouTube and the video owner will earn revenue from ads on embedded videos. The owner of the site where the video is embedded will not earn a share. https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/132596?hl=en-do-i-get-paid,how-do-i-get-paid,how-do-i-earn-revenue,whats-my-revenue-share https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/132596?hl=en-do-i-...
  - shortformblog 3y ago
    I don’t know how you’re missing the bigger picture. It is taking away any reason to actually watch the video, which means nobody makes revenue from it. It is not a promotional tool—it is a replacement for the video.
    - _akhe 3y ago
      I understand your take but I don't agree. By your logic no news site could display a video at the top then summarize the video in an article. This is one of the main use cases of the YouTube embed - which gives revenue to the creator when it's played on a third-party site (and the third-party site host gets no revenue) and the YouTube creator has the option to disallow embedding their video if they don't want it embedded anywhere - it's in their control. The idea that the number of embed plays will be 0 on this site is just unfounded, and untrue as I just watched a video in an embed on this site. That creator just got a view, where otherwise I would have never seen their content, thanks to this website.