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> These seem largely absent today. I still hold the same stance today, but I am just tired of arguing for it on HN. I noticed the same thing with the prevaili

> These seem largely absent today. I still hold the same stance today, but I am just tired of arguing for it on HN. I noticed the same thing with the prevailing opinion on the issue changing on HN as well. However, it wasnt because there are better arguments for the ban now or some new relevant info got discovered that would affect it. Nope, it literally devolved into tit-for-tat arguments only, except this pretty much makes the US lose any high ground here. For people who dont see how maintaining the high ground in this specific scenario[0] is very advantageous and cheap for the US, I don’t have much to add that wasnt already discussed to death in all the previous HN threads on this. P.S. It sucks I even feel the need to say this, but no, I dont support the chinese government and have zero affiliation with it whatsoever (at least none that I am aware of lol). I do have a lot of respect for the country itself and their people. However, my respect for the country and their people is not relevant to my opinions on absolutely anything related to policymaking. 0. No, I dont believe in this approach for every scenario ever involving the US and China. Of course, I do believe in reciprocal trade sanctions and tarrifs. I dont believe in those nearly as much when it comes to the digital realm, and especially not when it is something like TikTok.

mensetmanusman 3y ago
Tit for tat is actually the known optimum solution for these game theoretic interactions.
- Jensson 3y ago
  Tit for tat, but start out nice. Second part is very important, that way we have nice relationships with most of the world.
- kjhcvkek77 3y ago
  That's not quite right. Always defecting is game theoretically optimal. However, under realistic conditions, where many agents are predisposed to cooperate but some do not that's where a tit for tat strategy can work incredibly well. That people are predisposed to cooperate is an assumption you have to make, it cannot be derived from the rules of the game itself.
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    Always defecting doesn't work when the adversary has memory:)

mensetmanusman 3y ago

Tit for tat is actually the known optimum solution for these game theoretic interactions.

Jensson 3y ago
Tit for tat, but start out nice. Second part is very important, that way we have nice relationships with most of the world.
kjhcvkek77 3y ago
That's not quite right. Always defecting is game theoretically optimal. However, under realistic conditions, where many agents are predisposed to cooperate but some do not that's where a tit for tat strategy can work incredibly well. That people are predisposed to cooperate is an assumption you have to make, it cannot be derived from the rules of the game itself.
- mensetmanusman 3y ago
  Always defecting doesn't work when the adversary has memory:)