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Anyone using this? We use a self-hosted Gitlab for 5 years now and had to upgrade to premium after they killed the basic version. Now I would essentially have t

Anyone using this? We use a self-hosted Gitlab for 5 years now and had to upgrade to premium after they killed the basic version. Now I would essentially have to double my spending (again) for this new feature.

palata 2y ago
> Now I would essentially have to double my spending (again) for this new feature. I guess either you believe that this AI feature is worth the new prices, or you don't. I don't. > We use a self-hosted Gitlab for 5 years now and had to upgrade to premium after they killed the basic version. Why not self-hosting an instance of Forgejo?
- Kelteseth 2y ago
  Yes, Forgejo would be an alternative if we really would need to switch. GitLab pricing is ok for us, not great, not terrible for a small team of 6 devs...
  - nicce 2y ago
    The pricing of the GitLab has changed so many times in the past years and free tier has changed as well. It has made GitLab so unpredictable that I had to switch away. Someone could say that enshittification is on the way.
    - misnome 2y ago
      It changed to match Github, and then it changed to exceed Github. Probably the biggest sales advantage Gitlab has is that nobody seems to know/remember that it's possible to run Github on-prem. That's exactly the reason our organisation chose it.
- mdaniel 2y ago
  > Why not self-hosting an instance of Forgejo? Have they fixed their pseudo-implementation of GitHub Actions? Last I saw they were trying to use nektos/act instead of actually, no kidding, implementing Actions and a real runner. It's the uncanny valley of CICD
jamesponddotco 2y ago
Considering they still use Claude 2 as the model for many features, I'd pass. Now, if they upgraded to Claude 3, on the other hand... I would still go with Codeium[1] and the Claude 3 API. [1]: Which, to be fair, has fewer features.
- dnsmichi 2y ago
  GitLab team member here. Thanks for your feedback :) You can follow the migration to Claude 3 in this epic https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/13297 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/13297 (also shared in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40114647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40114647 )
slindsey 2y ago
My team recently paid for this on self-hosted GitLab ultimate. I would not suggest this for self-hosted. We've been having issues that seem to be related to self-hosting that are requiring a lot of effort from our System Admins to work through with GitLab support. Separate from that, there don't appear to be any benefits to having it "integrated" into GitLab. I'm assuming we'll switch to another tool shortly.
fuzzy2 2y ago
Just curious: Why not use GitLab Community Edition? At least for me, it had everything I wanted. (Due to feature creep, I no longer use it.)
dnsmichi 2y ago
GitLab team member here. Thanks for your feedback. GitLab Duo provides AI-assisted features in the DevSecOps lifecycle. GitLab Duo Chat was released as GA last week [0] Code Suggestions are GA, too, and help with code completion and generation [1] The documentation provides more insights on availability and usage [2] Helpful learning resources: If you are looking for practical examples and prompt tips for Duo Chat, bookmark this longer tutorial "10 best practices for using AI-powered GitLab Duo Chat" in [3] We have also updated the documentation to add hands-in GitLab Duo examples for different programming languages and environments, helping with how to integrate AI into your workflows efficiently: [4] At QCon London 2024 two weeks ago, I spoke about "Efficient DevSecOps workflows with a little help from AI." The slides are publicly available at [5], talk summary in [6] I also recommend the blog post "How to put generative AI to work in your DevSecOps environment" [7] to tackle important questions such as workflow assessments, AI guardrails and how to measure AI impact in your organization. Last but not least, I started a learning series called "GitLab Duo Coffee Chat" on YouTube [8], showing AI and GitLab Duo in action. I plan to host more sessions in the coming weeks. [9] Happy to help with more adoption questions, best practices, and development workflows :-) [0] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/04/18/gitlab-duo-chat-now-generally-available/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/04/18/gitlab-duo-chat-now... [1] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2023/12/22/gitlab-duo-code-suggestions-is-generally-available/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2023/12/22/gitlab-duo-code-sug... [2] https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/ai_features.html https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/ai_features.html [3] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/04/02/10-best-practices-for-using-ai-powered-gitlab-duo-chat/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/04/02/10-best-practices-f... [4] https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/gitlab_duo_examples.html https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/gitlab_duo_examples.html [5] https://go.gitlab.com/ZDYNXQ https://go.gitlab.com/ZDYNXQ [6] https://qconlondon.com/presentation/apr2024/efficient-devsecops-workflows-little-help-ai https://qconlondon.com/presentation/apr2024/efficient-devsec... [7] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/03/07/how-to-put-generative-ai-to-work-in-your-devsecops-environment/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/03/07/how-to-put-generati... [8] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL05JrBw4t0Kp5uj_JgQiSvHw1jQu0mSVZ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL05JrBw4t0Kp5uj_JgQiS... [9] https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-com/marketing/developer-relations/-/epics/476 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-com/marketing/developer-rel...
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palata 2y ago

> Now I would essentially have to double my spending (again) for this new feature. I guess either you believe that this AI feature is worth the new prices, or you don't. I don't. > We use a self-hosted Gitlab for 5 years now and had to upgrade to premium after they killed the basic version. Why not self-hosting an instance of Forgejo?

Kelteseth 2y ago
Yes, Forgejo would be an alternative if we really would need to switch. GitLab pricing is ok for us, not great, not terrible for a small team of 6 devs...
- nicce 2y ago
  The pricing of the GitLab has changed so many times in the past years and free tier has changed as well. It has made GitLab so unpredictable that I had to switch away. Someone could say that enshittification is on the way.
  - misnome 2y ago
    It changed to match Github, and then it changed to exceed Github. Probably the biggest sales advantage Gitlab has is that nobody seems to know/remember that it's possible to run Github on-prem. That's exactly the reason our organisation chose it.
mdaniel 2y ago
> Why not self-hosting an instance of Forgejo? Have they fixed their pseudo-implementation of GitHub Actions? Last I saw they were trying to use nektos/act instead of actually, no kidding, implementing Actions and a real runner. It's the uncanny valley of CICD

jamesponddotco 2y ago

Considering they still use Claude 2 as the model for many features, I'd pass. Now, if they upgraded to Claude 3, on the other hand... I would still go with Codeium[1] and the Claude 3 API. [1]: Which, to be fair, has fewer features.

dnsmichi 2y ago
GitLab team member here. Thanks for your feedback :) You can follow the migration to Claude 3 in this epic https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/13297 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/13297 (also shared in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40114647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40114647 )

slindsey 2y ago

My team recently paid for this on self-hosted GitLab ultimate. I would not suggest this for self-hosted. We've been having issues that seem to be related to self-hosting that are requiring a lot of effort from our System Admins to work through with GitLab support. Separate from that, there don't appear to be any benefits to having it "integrated" into GitLab. I'm assuming we'll switch to another tool shortly.

fuzzy2 2y ago

Just curious: Why not use GitLab Community Edition? At least for me, it had everything I wanted. (Due to feature creep, I no longer use it.)

dnsmichi 2y ago

GitLab team member here. Thanks for your feedback. GitLab Duo provides AI-assisted features in the DevSecOps lifecycle. GitLab Duo Chat was released as GA last week [0] Code Suggestions are GA, too, and help with code completion and generation [1] The documentation provides more insights on availability and usage [2] Helpful learning resources: If you are looking for practical examples and prompt tips for Duo Chat, bookmark this longer tutorial "10 best practices for using AI-powered GitLab Duo Chat" in [3] We have also updated the documentation to add hands-in GitLab Duo examples for different programming languages and environments, helping with how to integrate AI into your workflows efficiently: [4] At QCon London 2024 two weeks ago, I spoke about "Efficient DevSecOps workflows with a little help from AI." The slides are publicly available at [5], talk summary in [6] I also recommend the blog post "How to put generative AI to work in your DevSecOps environment" [7] to tackle important questions such as workflow assessments, AI guardrails and how to measure AI impact in your organization. Last but not least, I started a learning series called "GitLab Duo Coffee Chat" on YouTube [8], showing AI and GitLab Duo in action. I plan to host more sessions in the coming weeks. [9] Happy to help with more adoption questions, best practices, and development workflows :-) [0] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/04/18/gitlab-duo-chat-now-generally-available/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/04/18/gitlab-duo-chat-now... [1] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2023/12/22/gitlab-duo-code-suggestions-is-generally-available/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2023/12/22/gitlab-duo-code-sug... [2] https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/ai_features.html https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/ai_features.html [3] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/04/02/10-best-practices-for-using-ai-powered-gitlab-duo-chat/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/04/02/10-best-practices-f... [4] https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/gitlab_duo_examples.html https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/gitlab_duo_examples.html [5] https://go.gitlab.com/ZDYNXQ https://go.gitlab.com/ZDYNXQ [6] https://qconlondon.com/presentation/apr2024/efficient-devsecops-workflows-little-help-ai https://qconlondon.com/presentation/apr2024/efficient-devsec... [7] https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/03/07/how-to-put-generative-ai-to-work-in-your-devsecops-environment/ https://about.gitlab.com/blog/2024/03/07/how-to-put-generati... [8] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL05JrBw4t0Kp5uj_JgQiSvHw1jQu0mSVZ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL05JrBw4t0Kp5uj_JgQiS... [9] https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-com/marketing/developer-relations/-/epics/476 https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-com/marketing/developer-rel...

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