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RSS if anything is in decline, rather than its ascent, because of the fact that in many ways it offers access to content in a way that diminishes ad views. It'

by cykros 2y ago

RSS if anything is in decline, rather than its ascent, because of the fact that in many ways it offers access to content in a way that diminishes ad views. It's not impossible that it could come back from this state, and indeed, outside of this issue, there's nothing wrong with it as a system, and podcasts make heavy use of it. But it's worth being aware of this headwind.

keepamovin 2y ago
No I totally know it's in ascent, that's my point! Haha! :) Hmm, how to express what I'm saying more clearly -- seems it's been missed? Haha! :) I mean, like RSS seems like where the web was in 1996 - on the ascent! - waiting for its "Google Search" moment, whereas these types of RSS curations in this product and others like it recently, a little bit like Yahoo Directory!
- pantulis 2y ago
  I think you are being slightly over enthusiastic here.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Hahah! :) yeah in the context of the negativity on this thread and the changes in the comments it might seem like that but in a different context it will look right hahaah! :)
- tl 2y ago
  > No I totally know it's in ascent, that's my point! Haha! :) How do you "know" this? Show some proof! RSS has two well-known use cases: news and podcasts. It is fighting a pitched battle against players with deep pockets who want you to consume content where they can monetize it with ads. Google Reader survived for as long as it did because such a service is incredibly cheap to run. Google only ended it to push people to Google+. Many of the various competing providers that popped up during that period are still around, but I would not say it is flourishing. This is what Google thinks of RSS: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=RSS%20Reader&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=R... Note a rise and plateau centered around 2005 and a brief peak in 2013 (when Google killed Reeder).
  - toyg 2y ago
    I agree with your view, but if we put down our old greybeard hats for a minute - isn't it nice to see a new generation of people potentially getting excited about RSS? The parent comment is clearly by an optimistic youngster, who has just discovered an awesome technology that (he thinks) could change the world. And maybe it can! Just because we've seen it beaten once (well, a few times), it doesn't mean it's dead, and maybe, just maybe, there is something we can't see that will be the real RSS killer app. Take podcasting - when RSS was first devised, nobody thought of such a use-case; it just happened that the media-attachment hacks tacked on top of it merged, at a particular time and place, with some other emerging tech (the iPod), creating something so good that it's still around.
    - throwaway14356 2y ago
      I keep wanting to build a PICS rating service and (humorously) add it to my feeds. https://www.w3.org/PICS/ https://www.w3.org/PICS/ The use as parential control is clutter to me. The referring to content selection as filtering was a terrible idea. The content labels can exist on a different website, they can live in the html document and there is an rss element specifically for it. You make up your own rating label and put a score behind it. There was an example for example that rated by canadiannes https://www.w3.org/TR/REC-PICS-labels/#Example https://www.w3.org/TR/REC-PICS-labels/#Example As usual they spend a lot of words explaining something simple. In its almost most simple form: (PICS-1.1 "http://www.example.org/ratingservice http://www.example.org/ratingservice" label for "http://www.example.com/foobar http://www.example.com/foobar" rating (javascript 5 php 4 mysql 6 bloomfilter 10)) Looks a lot like hand crafted weights to me. If widely adopted you could make a fascinating tag cloud from your 100k rss subscriptions.
    - tl 2y ago
      > The parent comment is clearly by an optimistic youngster My only objection is when the "youngster" had his viewpoint questioned, his response was "no I totally know it's in ascent". Objective evidence points in the opposite direction.
      - 2y ago
throwaway14356 2y ago
rss is the advertising. It allows me to conveniently keep track of tens of thousands of websites. If you don't have a feed, no problem. Ill just read something else. With few exceptions I can't be bothered to keep looking at a web page hoping something new has happened.
- toyg 2y ago
  RSS advertises the content, but not the actual sponsors of such content (i.e. commercial ads). It's also pretty hard to make it track readers. That's why the likes of Meta and Google just don't like it.
  - throwaway14356 2y ago
    you want to advertise your sponsors in your advertising??

by cykros 2y ago

keepamovin 2y ago

No I totally know it's in ascent, that's my point! Haha! :) Hmm, how to express what I'm saying more clearly -- seems it's been missed? Haha! :) I mean, like RSS seems like where the web was in 1996 - on the ascent! - waiting for its "Google Search" moment, whereas these types of RSS curations in this product and others like it recently, a little bit like Yahoo Directory!

pantulis 2y ago
I think you are being slightly over enthusiastic here.
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Hahah! :) yeah in the context of the negativity on this thread and the changes in the comments it might seem like that but in a different context it will look right hahaah! :)
tl 2y ago
> No I totally know it's in ascent, that's my point! Haha! :) How do you "know" this? Show some proof! RSS has two well-known use cases: news and podcasts. It is fighting a pitched battle against players with deep pockets who want you to consume content where they can monetize it with ads. Google Reader survived for as long as it did because such a service is incredibly cheap to run. Google only ended it to push people to Google+. Many of the various competing providers that popped up during that period are still around, but I would not say it is flourishing. This is what Google thinks of RSS: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=RSS%20Reader&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=R... Note a rise and plateau centered around 2005 and a brief peak in 2013 (when Google killed Reeder).
- toyg 2y ago
  I agree with your view, but if we put down our old greybeard hats for a minute - isn't it nice to see a new generation of people potentially getting excited about RSS? The parent comment is clearly by an optimistic youngster, who has just discovered an awesome technology that (he thinks) could change the world. And maybe it can! Just because we've seen it beaten once (well, a few times), it doesn't mean it's dead, and maybe, just maybe, there is something we can't see that will be the real RSS killer app. Take podcasting - when RSS was first devised, nobody thought of such a use-case; it just happened that the media-attachment hacks tacked on top of it merged, at a particular time and place, with some other emerging tech (the iPod), creating something so good that it's still around.
  - throwaway14356 2y ago
    I keep wanting to build a PICS rating service and (humorously) add it to my feeds. https://www.w3.org/PICS/ https://www.w3.org/PICS/ The use as parential control is clutter to me. The referring to content selection as filtering was a terrible idea. The content labels can exist on a different website, they can live in the html document and there is an rss element specifically for it. You make up your own rating label and put a score behind it. There was an example for example that rated by canadiannes https://www.w3.org/TR/REC-PICS-labels/#Example https://www.w3.org/TR/REC-PICS-labels/#Example As usual they spend a lot of words explaining something simple. In its almost most simple form: (PICS-1.1 "http://www.example.org/ratingservice http://www.example.org/ratingservice" label for "http://www.example.com/foobar http://www.example.com/foobar" rating (javascript 5 php 4 mysql 6 bloomfilter 10)) Looks a lot like hand crafted weights to me. If widely adopted you could make a fascinating tag cloud from your 100k rss subscriptions.
  - tl 2y ago
    > The parent comment is clearly by an optimistic youngster My only objection is when the "youngster" had his viewpoint questioned, his response was "no I totally know it's in ascent". Objective evidence points in the opposite direction.
    - 2y ago

throwaway14356 2y ago

rss is the advertising. It allows me to conveniently keep track of tens of thousands of websites. If you don't have a feed, no problem. Ill just read something else. With few exceptions I can't be bothered to keep looking at a web page hoping something new has happened.

toyg 2y ago
RSS advertises the content, but not the actual sponsors of such content (i.e. commercial ads). It's also pretty hard to make it track readers. That's why the likes of Meta and Google just don't like it.
- throwaway14356 2y ago
  you want to advertise your sponsors in your advertising??