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> The world is very little "don't care, whatever", things have consequences and maybe you care about some of them. Surely you deeply care about some things? (of

> The world is very little "don't care, whatever", things have consequences and maybe you care about some of them. Surely you deeply care about some things? (of course there's no bad answer, you can answer no) Yes I care very much about people making their own decisions in their own lives (e.g. LGBT, abortion etc) and with ever more restrictive laws (even here in Europe) I kinda just have given up on the law in general. I just shrug at it while the extreme-right tries to curtail our rights (in my country a quarter of people voted extreme-right in our last election). I just don't think legalese is the way to protect this. It's not working anyway. Also I'm just totally not a 'team player' so I don't care about loyalty to a party, group or country. > I myself think the GPL is the better option in most cases, because I care that the end users' freedom is guaranteed. I pretty much don't want developers to do "whatever they want" with my work, I want them to respect their own users' freedom. This is highly political/philosophical of course. I don't think the GPL is very good at this. The BSD license is seen as more friendly to business but in practice it gives users more freedom. Especially because the GPL protects the rights of all contributors including corporate ones, the corporate market loves GPL much more and thus is more involved. Which always comes with more strings attached. I view GPL more as protection of the authors, not the end users. The few times serious tinkering was done by commercial entities in BSD it was basically a huge disaster: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/buffer-overruns-license-violations-and-bad-code-freebsd-13s-close-call/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/buffer-overruns-lice...

grahamjperrin 3y ago
2021 became boring some time ago, don't cha know, daddy-o? > commercial entities iXsystems, Inc.: sponsored commits in three FreeBSD source trees: https://gist.github.com/grahamperrin/eb0bf1a03b64e14d9288cbdeab53ac7b https://gist.github.com/grahamperrin/eb0bf1a03b64e14d9288cbd... Created last week, a snapshot of that point in time, I don't intend to update it.
jraph 3y ago
> I care very much about people making their own decisions in their own lives (e.g. LGBT, abortion etc) Totally with you on this (and that's why I think the software industry should be producing free software for people. So they can make their own decisions without depending on their original providers. Of course, free software is not a sufficient condition to this.) > I kinda just have given up on the law in general. Okay, but I hope you'll understand many of us don't see this as an option. > I don't think the GPL is very good at this. [...] I don't see how end users have more freedoms with BSD programs and how the GPL comes with more strings attached for the user (who doesn't intend to build proprietary software - of course I'm against this so if you see this as an attached string, I see this string in good light). > I view GPL more as protection of the authors, not the end users. I think you are wrong on this. The user owes nothing to the author of a GPL program. They can modify it without contributing back. The authors are not guaranteed to see the improvements to their code, also users are guaranteed the freedoms that come with free software, even for the derivatives (this is where the GPL shines, in my view, compared to permissive licenses).

grahamjperrin 3y ago

2021 became boring some time ago, don't cha know, daddy-o? > commercial entities iXsystems, Inc.: sponsored commits in three FreeBSD source trees: https://gist.github.com/grahamperrin/eb0bf1a03b64e14d9288cbdeab53ac7b https://gist.github.com/grahamperrin/eb0bf1a03b64e14d9288cbd... Created last week, a snapshot of that point in time, I don't intend to update it.

jraph 3y ago

> I care very much about people making their own decisions in their own lives (e.g. LGBT, abortion etc) Totally with you on this (and that's why I think the software industry should be producing free software for people. So they can make their own decisions without depending on their original providers. Of course, free software is not a sufficient condition to this.) > I kinda just have given up on the law in general. Okay, but I hope you'll understand many of us don't see this as an option. > I don't think the GPL is very good at this. [...] I don't see how end users have more freedoms with BSD programs and how the GPL comes with more strings attached for the user (who doesn't intend to build proprietary software - of course I'm against this so if you see this as an attached string, I see this string in good light). > I view GPL more as protection of the authors, not the end users. I think you are wrong on this. The user owes nothing to the author of a GPL program. They can modify it without contributing back. The authors are not guaranteed to see the improvements to their code, also users are guaranteed the freedoms that come with free software, even for the derivatives (this is where the GPL shines, in my view, compared to permissive licenses).