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You should actually look at the books of these ISP's. Loaded with debt and other liabilities and grocery store profits/net margins. Gross margins may be 60% o

You should actually look at the books of these ISP's. Loaded with debt and other liabilities and grocery store profits/net margins. Gross margins may be 60% or more but they aren't ending up with the shareholders or C-Levels

CyberDildonics 3y ago
You should actually look at the books of these ISP's. Then link something and show me specifically what you are talking about. Loaded with debt and other liabilities and grocery store profits/net margins. I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to mean, but debt is how things are financed and comcast made a 3 billion dollar profit from 31 billion in revenue. https://www.google.com/search?q=comcast+profit https://www.google.com/search?q=comcast+profit
- inemesitaffia 3y ago
  What's the debt though? AT&T has more debt than share value. That profit is 10% What's the spread between that and the loan repayment rate? What's the Fed rate? People invest in different things but they should be getting value at least equivalent buying Fed bonds.
  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    What's the debt though? AT&T has more debt than share value. You tell me, you're the one who made the claims. That profit is 10% What's the spread between that and the loan repayment rate? What's the Fed rate? Profit is after servicing loans. the loan repayment rate? What loan? What are you talking about? What's the Fed rate? People invest in different things but they should be getting value at least equivalent buying Fed bonds. It's 5.25%, that took me 4 seconds to google. Did you think it might have been 10%?
    - inemesitaffia 3y ago
      Comcast has 94 billion in debt At&T is 155 billion in debt That Fed rate spread definitely puts those companies in grocery store rates It's not a good business to be in unless you're a big investor depending on consistent earnings They aren't "making it big" Unless there's collusion, multiple providers means minor amounts of profit. Bandwidth is ridiculously cheap these days once you're big enough. The costs are in laying Fiber, power, repair and support. And definitely debt servicing. Let's say there's a new residential block with 12 homes one mile away from another place with service from your network core If the ground is alright or there's poles, you deliver at 15 to 20k/mile to the demarc at the building. Spend 5k for a stub or 20k for a regular connection that allows for extensions like the one you just made. Then spend 750/home for connections+CPE. Maybe extra money for IP addresses if you don't do CGNAT. If you bill 50 a month and have no issues there you spend 7 years recovering your money before you make any profits. When you see this you'll know why Verizon removed it's CEO after he laid lots of fiber. These numbers are assuming there's full take-up. A single truck roll can wipe off two months of earnings from a user There's better shares to buy. Better businesses to invest in
      - CyberDildonics 3y ago
        What point are you even trying to make? Do you know or have you lost the plot? Above someone was trying to say municipal ISPs don't make money. They clearly can, ISPs make plenty of profit and municipal internet has been done many times before. Not only that their speeds are often higher than competing ISPs in the area. Comcast has a 148.43 billion market cap, which includes their debt. They made over 3 billion in profit which includes servicing their debt. That Fed rate spread definitely puts those companies in grocery store rates What are you even talking about, this doesn't mean anything. They aren't "making it big" Comcast is a fortune 100 company worth 150 billion dollars. Municipal ISPs just need to work. Again municipal internet already works all over the place. Chattanooga offers 300 mb internet for $58 USD. They offer 10 gigabit for $300. Unless there's collusion, multiple providers means minor amounts of profit. Prove it. The whole point was that municipal internet works because it can make its money back over time. You making up random hypothetical scenarios has nothing to do with that. Better businesses to invest in Except that a municipal internet service can break the ISP monopoly, offer much higher speeds, lower prices and do it all while earning its money back.

CyberDildonics 3y ago

You should actually look at the books of these ISP's. Then link something and show me specifically what you are talking about. Loaded with debt and other liabilities and grocery store profits/net margins. I'm not sure exactly what this is supposed to mean, but debt is how things are financed and comcast made a 3 billion dollar profit from 31 billion in revenue. https://www.google.com/search?q=comcast+profit https://www.google.com/search?q=comcast+profit

inemesitaffia 3y ago
What's the debt though? AT&T has more debt than share value. That profit is 10% What's the spread between that and the loan repayment rate? What's the Fed rate? People invest in different things but they should be getting value at least equivalent buying Fed bonds.
- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  What's the debt though? AT&T has more debt than share value. You tell me, you're the one who made the claims. That profit is 10% What's the spread between that and the loan repayment rate? What's the Fed rate? Profit is after servicing loans. the loan repayment rate? What loan? What are you talking about? What's the Fed rate? People invest in different things but they should be getting value at least equivalent buying Fed bonds. It's 5.25%, that took me 4 seconds to google. Did you think it might have been 10%?
  - inemesitaffia 3y ago
    Comcast has 94 billion in debt At&T is 155 billion in debt That Fed rate spread definitely puts those companies in grocery store rates It's not a good business to be in unless you're a big investor depending on consistent earnings They aren't "making it big" Unless there's collusion, multiple providers means minor amounts of profit. Bandwidth is ridiculously cheap these days once you're big enough. The costs are in laying Fiber, power, repair and support. And definitely debt servicing. Let's say there's a new residential block with 12 homes one mile away from another place with service from your network core If the ground is alright or there's poles, you deliver at 15 to 20k/mile to the demarc at the building. Spend 5k for a stub or 20k for a regular connection that allows for extensions like the one you just made. Then spend 750/home for connections+CPE. Maybe extra money for IP addresses if you don't do CGNAT. If you bill 50 a month and have no issues there you spend 7 years recovering your money before you make any profits. When you see this you'll know why Verizon removed it's CEO after he laid lots of fiber. These numbers are assuming there's full take-up. A single truck roll can wipe off two months of earnings from a user There's better shares to buy. Better businesses to invest in
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      What point are you even trying to make? Do you know or have you lost the plot? Above someone was trying to say municipal ISPs don't make money. They clearly can, ISPs make plenty of profit and municipal internet has been done many times before. Not only that their speeds are often higher than competing ISPs in the area. Comcast has a 148.43 billion market cap, which includes their debt. They made over 3 billion in profit which includes servicing their debt. That Fed rate spread definitely puts those companies in grocery store rates What are you even talking about, this doesn't mean anything. They aren't "making it big" Comcast is a fortune 100 company worth 150 billion dollars. Municipal ISPs just need to work. Again municipal internet already works all over the place. Chattanooga offers 300 mb internet for $58 USD. They offer 10 gigabit for $300. Unless there's collusion, multiple providers means minor amounts of profit. Prove it. The whole point was that municipal internet works because it can make its money back over time. You making up random hypothetical scenarios has nothing to do with that. Better businesses to invest in Except that a municipal internet service can break the ISP monopoly, offer much higher speeds, lower prices and do it all while earning its money back.