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Now I am curious to know how some games could have an IR transmsmitter inside the cartridge like Pokemon Soulsilver, did they plan this specific usecase or a wh

Now I am curious to know how some games could have an IR transmsmitter inside the cartridge like Pokemon Soulsilver, did they plan this specific usecase or a whole channel for limited cartridge expansion components ?

dwattttt 3y ago
The interface to the gaming system might be strictly data, but you've got power supplied to the cartridge; you can put whatever hardware you can fit inside that cartridge still
MenhirMike 3y ago
That's actually a pretty good question. The NTR-031 IR cartridges were used for a few games, and there was also one for Motion Sensors and a TV Antenna. From what I can see, it looks like even though they can't extend the functionality directly, they do still interface with the system in some way. Perhaps they are more like a device connected to a serial port would be? So far less capable than the full extension cart, but still possible to communicate with through a standardized protocol? (The DS Cartridge slot has 8 data pins rather than the full address/data bus, but seems to have a protocol: http://problemkaputt.de/gbatek.htm#dscartridgeprotocol http://problemkaputt.de/gbatek.htm#dscartridgeprotocol) So, I need to correct myself, they nerfed it first with the DS, before then switching to being pure flash chips with the 3DS when they switched to XtraROM (which has potential lifespan issues: https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-switch-3ds-cartridge-lifespan.591607/ https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-switch-3ds-cartridge-li...) - and that seems to not allow much custom functionality: https://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Gamecards#Protocol https://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Gamecards#Protocol (Though if someone with more knowledge can correct me, please do so. I thought that DS/3DS/Switch are pure flash chips, but was wrong at least about the DS)
- b112 3y ago
  Hmm. Crazy thought, but there must be some sort of save data function. I wonder if one could exude a ram chip(as opposed to short life flash or eeprom back then) as a storage device, with some fake filesystem, then have the software write updates to that. As ram, you could read the data on the cartridge, modify it, and thus fake bidirectional comms?
  - mcronce 3y ago
    Even if the bus/protocol is limited to "only" disk I/O, you could still have the controller interpret reads/writes to certain addresses as requests for other actions, including interaction with other hardware on the card

dwattttt 3y ago

The interface to the gaming system might be strictly data, but you've got power supplied to the cartridge; you can put whatever hardware you can fit inside that cartridge still

MenhirMike 3y ago

That's actually a pretty good question. The NTR-031 IR cartridges were used for a few games, and there was also one for Motion Sensors and a TV Antenna. From what I can see, it looks like even though they can't extend the functionality directly, they do still interface with the system in some way. Perhaps they are more like a device connected to a serial port would be? So far less capable than the full extension cart, but still possible to communicate with through a standardized protocol? (The DS Cartridge slot has 8 data pins rather than the full address/data bus, but seems to have a protocol: http://problemkaputt.de/gbatek.htm#dscartridgeprotocol http://problemkaputt.de/gbatek.htm#dscartridgeprotocol) So, I need to correct myself, they nerfed it first with the DS, before then switching to being pure flash chips with the 3DS when they switched to XtraROM (which has potential lifespan issues: https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-switch-3ds-cartridge-lifespan.591607/ https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-switch-3ds-cartridge-li...) - and that seems to not allow much custom functionality: https://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Gamecards#Protocol https://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/Gamecards#Protocol (Though if someone with more knowledge can correct me, please do so. I thought that DS/3DS/Switch are pure flash chips, but was wrong at least about the DS)

b112 3y ago
Hmm. Crazy thought, but there must be some sort of save data function. I wonder if one could exude a ram chip(as opposed to short life flash or eeprom back then) as a storage device, with some fake filesystem, then have the software write updates to that. As ram, you could read the data on the cartridge, modify it, and thus fake bidirectional comms?
- mcronce 3y ago
  Even if the bus/protocol is limited to "only" disk I/O, you could still have the controller interpret reads/writes to certain addresses as requests for other actions, including interaction with other hardware on the card