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> I don't like receipt-at-door, but I'm not sure I'd describes it as hostile as much as kind of sad. It is straight up illegal in Canada for a store to require

> I don't like receipt-at-door, but I'm not sure I'd describes it as hostile as much as kind of sad. It is straight up illegal in Canada for a store to require you to show your receipt in order to be allowed to leave. It's unlawful detainment. This applies to Costco as well. Of course you can have your membership revoked if you refuse there. However other grocery stores have no recourse if you leave without showing your receipt.

Terr_ 3y ago
> in order to be allowed to leave That seems like a straw-man argument. I've never seen anyone actually detained by private employees who suspect theft, and I'll bet many companies' policies quite explicitly prohibit those employees from trying.
- fragmede 3y ago
  How much stuff have you stolen from stores in order to ascertain that private security doesn't stop thieves? Of course they actually do. Just be glad you're lucky enough not to have had to deal with that.
  - Terr_ 3y ago
    You're saying private employees at grocery stores regularly and illegally detain shoppers? C'mon man, citation needed. I'm going to pre-buttal a bunch of "that's not actually the same claim" items here: * If it's a couple notable incidents before the company gets a bloody nose in an expensive lawsuit and changes things, then that's not regular behavior. * If the employee detains someone in accordance with local laws (e.g. the seldom-usable "citizen's arrest"), then it's not illegally acting like police. * If the person is detained by actual police because the employee called them over, then that's not the private company doing the detention.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      We clearly live in different jusridictions if someone can go into a store, shoplift, in plain view of private security, and not get detained by them where you are.
      - Terr_ 3y ago
        Leaving aside the frequency of the event, how about we look up the rules for your jurisdiction, and then we get a better idea about whether the exact situation you (and/or bluefirebrand) are thinking about qualifies as illegal? For example, down in Washington State, I'd paraphrase the law [0] as "store owners can't be sued back if they had good evidence and only stopped the person enough to record information." (Note, that's separate from "citizen's arrest", which comes more from common-law precedents than from explicit statue.) [0] https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=4.24.220 https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=4.24.220
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  https://globalnews.ca/news/10356789/loblaw-grocery-receipt-scanners/ https://globalnews.ca/news/10356789/loblaw-grocery-receipt-s... It's not just not a strawman, it's already happening, even if it is illegal
  - Terr_ 3y ago
    > it's already happening Your link doesn't say that though. Where does it supports the claim that suspect-customers were/will-be illegally detained? Do you have some other source? And I don't mean "it happened once or twice before the company got slammed with a massive lawsuit that made them substantially change the policy."
    - bluefirebrand 3y ago
      > Where does it supports the claim that suspect-customers were/will-be illegally detained? Not sure what your understanding is, but imo if a person is physically blocked from leaving a store, then they are being detained. It doesn't matter if an employee is doing it or if it's a gate with a receipt scanner They can and have had employees standing at exits to check receipts in the past, but people are under no obligation to present a receipt in order to be allowed to leave so most people just walk right by Physically placing a barrier in the way to prevent that is detainment. Replacing the employee with a scanning machine doesn't somehow change that.

Terr_ 3y ago

> in order to be allowed to leave That seems like a straw-man argument. I've never seen anyone actually detained by private employees who suspect theft, and I'll bet many companies' policies quite explicitly prohibit those employees from trying.

fragmede 3y ago
How much stuff have you stolen from stores in order to ascertain that private security doesn't stop thieves? Of course they actually do. Just be glad you're lucky enough not to have had to deal with that.
- Terr_ 3y ago
  You're saying private employees at grocery stores regularly and illegally detain shoppers? C'mon man, citation needed. I'm going to pre-buttal a bunch of "that's not actually the same claim" items here: * If it's a couple notable incidents before the company gets a bloody nose in an expensive lawsuit and changes things, then that's not regular behavior. * If the employee detains someone in accordance with local laws (e.g. the seldom-usable "citizen's arrest"), then it's not illegally acting like police. * If the person is detained by actual police because the employee called them over, then that's not the private company doing the detention.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    We clearly live in different jusridictions if someone can go into a store, shoplift, in plain view of private security, and not get detained by them where you are.
    - Terr_ 3y ago
      Leaving aside the frequency of the event, how about we look up the rules for your jurisdiction, and then we get a better idea about whether the exact situation you (and/or bluefirebrand) are thinking about qualifies as illegal? For example, down in Washington State, I'd paraphrase the law [0] as "store owners can't be sued back if they had good evidence and only stopped the person enough to record information." (Note, that's separate from "citizen's arrest", which comes more from common-law precedents than from explicit statue.) [0] https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=4.24.220 https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=4.24.220
bluefirebrand 3y ago
https://globalnews.ca/news/10356789/loblaw-grocery-receipt-scanners/ https://globalnews.ca/news/10356789/loblaw-grocery-receipt-s... It's not just not a strawman, it's already happening, even if it is illegal
- Terr_ 3y ago
  > it's already happening Your link doesn't say that though. Where does it supports the claim that suspect-customers were/will-be illegally detained? Do you have some other source? And I don't mean "it happened once or twice before the company got slammed with a massive lawsuit that made them substantially change the policy."
  - bluefirebrand 3y ago
    > Where does it supports the claim that suspect-customers were/will-be illegally detained? Not sure what your understanding is, but imo if a person is physically blocked from leaving a store, then they are being detained. It doesn't matter if an employee is doing it or if it's a gate with a receipt scanner They can and have had employees standing at exits to check receipts in the past, but people are under no obligation to present a receipt in order to be allowed to leave so most people just walk right by Physically placing a barrier in the way to prevent that is detainment. Replacing the employee with a scanning machine doesn't somehow change that.