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> Dennett: "The latter exists and the former doesn't" Which tells you nothing about the actual question at issue--whether or not Dennett was denying that we ha
by pdonis 3y ago
> Dennett: "The latter exists and the former doesn't"
Which tells you nothing about the actual question at issue--whether or not Dennett was denying that we have conscious experiences--unless you know what "phenomenal qualities" meant to Dennett. You are assuming, based on nothing, that it must have meant "conscious experiences". But anyone who has read Dennett in context, or even viewed that statement in the video in context (where, as I have already said, Dennett called himself a "functionalist" about mental states and properties), knows that "phenomenal qualities" to Dennett did not mean "conscious experiences". It meant "magical properties that some people claim are necessary in order to have conscious experience, but which actual cognitive science research has shown are not". So when Dennett said that "phenomenal qualities" don't exist, he was only saying that those magical properties don't exist; he wasn't saying that conscious experiences don't exist.
- _akhe 3y ago> unless you know what "phenomenal qualities" meant to Dennett Very likely the mainstream philosophical meaning of phenomenal which is relating to subjective experience. > phenomenal doesn't mean conscious It essentially does yes - why do you think Dennett would be interpreting it differently in this case? I'm not even going to comment on your "magical properties" aspects - many problems.
- pdonis 3y ago> Very likely the mainstream philosophical meaning of phenomenal Again, if you had read Dennett's work in detail, you would know that in this particular area of philosophy, "phenomenal qualities" has a particular meaning, and it's not just "conscious experience"--it's a particular assertion about how conscious experience works. And one that cognitive science has shown to be false. > > phenomenal doesn't mean conscious You're not quoting anything I actually said in my post, so I have no idea what you think you're responding to here.