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If I had to guess from postings on Twitter and Linkedin, I think hiring is taking everyone by surprise. I remember a Linkedin comment talking about how the com

by aantix 2y ago

If I had to guess from postings on Twitter and Linkedin, I think hiring is taking everyone by surprise. I remember a Linkedin comment talking about how the company received 1,000+ applicants for a single dev job. Some blame the layoffs. I don't think so. Before GPT, it was a struggle for devs to appear articulate in the domains that they reference on their resume. Possessing exceptional writing abilities was a definitive competitive advantage. It's no longer. Now everyone can sound like an expert and craft a pretty good, customized, concise cover letter. The whole process needs to move to video-based cover letters. It's as simple as that.

krainboltgreene 2y ago
> Now everyone can sound like an expert and craft a pretty good, customized, concise cover letter. Zero content coming from LLM's sounds like this and yes I've read quite a bit of output from a variety of them (including whatever version/release the reply is going to ask).
- aantix 2y ago
  You probably have already read several cover letters from GPT that you didn't realize were programmatically generated.
  - krainboltgreene 2y ago
    I sincerely doubt that. Every one has been sharply obvious. I've also asked candidates after the fact and they were open about when they were/weren't. I haven't been wrong yet. There's this idea that LLM content is subversively good enough to pass muster, but ultimately if there's more than 3 sentences, it's not and you can ask any content moderator (Like publishing companies).
datascienced 2y ago
We are 1-2 years from chatgpt being able to fool interviewers. I mean speed, latency, audio generation and processing. Just connect your camera to the AI you and get your smart double to take the interview. “Are you a bot” is going to be a question and they are hoping the AI safety people will make it answer correctly.
- zdragnar 2y ago
  People are already hiring other people to take interviews for them, that's not really anything new... though at least this type of double will be able to follow them onto the job. The problem with using chatgpt today (aside from misrepresenting yourself if you don't state that you are using it) is that it doesn't match your own tone, cadence or patter. When you switch between answering for yourself and using chatgpt 's answer, it is blindingly apparent. I'm extremely skeptical that convincingly creating a double to fabricate an entire interview conversation will come anytime soon.
joenot443 2y ago
FWIW, a friend of mine paid to promote a job posting in LinkedIn for a junior remote React job, specifically asking only for Canadian applicants. When he woke up the next morning, there were 2500 applications. Only 8 of them were from Canada, 95%+ were from India. Maybe 1/4 attached cover letters, every single one immediately recognizable as the soft, impersonal ChatGPT default temperature type tone. They all still checked the “I am a Canadian resident and eligible to work in Canada” box - my understanding is that this is being treated a bit like the “I have 10+ years of Ruby experience” box. I think that online applications are going to be broken for a while now, especially for junior roles. Any listing which is open will become a honeypot for eager applicants from around the world, hoping their profile will be exceptional enough that the company might turn a blind eye to the visa question. Either way, I encourage everyone I know to just leverage their network and seek referrals. Firing resumes into LinkedIn seems like a fools errand at this point.

by aantix 2y ago

krainboltgreene 2y ago

> Now everyone can sound like an expert and craft a pretty good, customized, concise cover letter. Zero content coming from LLM's sounds like this and yes I've read quite a bit of output from a variety of them (including whatever version/release the reply is going to ask).

aantix 2y ago
You probably have already read several cover letters from GPT that you didn't realize were programmatically generated.
- krainboltgreene 2y ago
  I sincerely doubt that. Every one has been sharply obvious. I've also asked candidates after the fact and they were open about when they were/weren't. I haven't been wrong yet. There's this idea that LLM content is subversively good enough to pass muster, but ultimately if there's more than 3 sentences, it's not and you can ask any content moderator (Like publishing companies).

datascienced 2y ago

We are 1-2 years from chatgpt being able to fool interviewers. I mean speed, latency, audio generation and processing. Just connect your camera to the AI you and get your smart double to take the interview. “Are you a bot” is going to be a question and they are hoping the AI safety people will make it answer correctly.

zdragnar 2y ago
People are already hiring other people to take interviews for them, that's not really anything new... though at least this type of double will be able to follow them onto the job. The problem with using chatgpt today (aside from misrepresenting yourself if you don't state that you are using it) is that it doesn't match your own tone, cadence or patter. When you switch between answering for yourself and using chatgpt 's answer, it is blindingly apparent. I'm extremely skeptical that convincingly creating a double to fabricate an entire interview conversation will come anytime soon.

joenot443 2y ago

FWIW, a friend of mine paid to promote a job posting in LinkedIn for a junior remote React job, specifically asking only for Canadian applicants. When he woke up the next morning, there were 2500 applications. Only 8 of them were from Canada, 95%+ were from India. Maybe 1/4 attached cover letters, every single one immediately recognizable as the soft, impersonal ChatGPT default temperature type tone. They all still checked the “I am a Canadian resident and eligible to work in Canada” box - my understanding is that this is being treated a bit like the “I have 10+ years of Ruby experience” box. I think that online applications are going to be broken for a while now, especially for junior roles. Any listing which is open will become a honeypot for eager applicants from around the world, hoping their profile will be exceptional enough that the company might turn a blind eye to the visa question. Either way, I encourage everyone I know to just leverage their network and seek referrals. Firing resumes into LinkedIn seems like a fools errand at this point.