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Western Europe is a misnomer. Most of it should be all called Northern Europe and North of Northern Europe. Paris sits between Vancouver and Seattle. London

Western Europe is a misnomer. Most of it should be all called Northern Europe and North of Northern Europe. Paris sits between Vancouver and Seattle. London is the same latitude as Calgary. Hamburg is at the same latitude as Edmonton. If the golf stream slows downs or gets diverted north towards Greenland much of Europe will freeze.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Indeed, this was the intent of my inquiry: what will climate look like for the next 100 years between certain latitudes in Western Europe (Porto vs Lisbon, Madrid and Bilbao vs Valencia, Malaga and Sevilla, Bordeaux vs Toulouse, etc).
- dogma1138 3y ago
  Portugal is quite up north too, Porto is the same latitude as Chicago, Lisbon is the same latitude as DC.
lm28469 3y ago
That's not how geography works... Do you consider Sao Polo to be in north America because Johannesburg is more southern?
- dogma1138 3y ago
  No, and it’s clear that it wasn’t my point so don’t be silly or obtuse. People don’t realize how far north most of Europe is because of its very temperate climate powered by the golf stream. Everything from the English Channel up to the Baltics should be much much colder than it is. The daily mean temperature in London is around 6c in January vs lower than -8c in Calgary. The record low temperatures in London are higher than the mean daily minimum in Calgary. Besides the impact on things like farming the infrastructure of many European cities isn’t built to withstand the winters it may have in a few decades.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    > The daily mean temperature in London is around 6c in January vs lower than -8c in Calgary. You can't compare a coastal city with an average elevation of like 10 meters and an inland city perched more than 1000m above sea...
    - dogma1138 3y ago
      Fine let’s compare it to Charlottetown it’s 5 degrees further south than London and its daily mean in January is -8c as well…

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Indeed, this was the intent of my inquiry: what will climate look like for the next 100 years between certain latitudes in Western Europe (Porto vs Lisbon, Madrid and Bilbao vs Valencia, Malaga and Sevilla, Bordeaux vs Toulouse, etc).

dogma1138 3y ago
Portugal is quite up north too, Porto is the same latitude as Chicago, Lisbon is the same latitude as DC.

lm28469 3y ago

That's not how geography works... Do you consider Sao Polo to be in north America because Johannesburg is more southern?

dogma1138 3y ago
No, and it’s clear that it wasn’t my point so don’t be silly or obtuse. People don’t realize how far north most of Europe is because of its very temperate climate powered by the golf stream. Everything from the English Channel up to the Baltics should be much much colder than it is. The daily mean temperature in London is around 6c in January vs lower than -8c in Calgary. The record low temperatures in London are higher than the mean daily minimum in Calgary. Besides the impact on things like farming the infrastructure of many European cities isn’t built to withstand the winters it may have in a few decades.
- lm28469 3y ago
  > The daily mean temperature in London is around 6c in January vs lower than -8c in Calgary. You can't compare a coastal city with an average elevation of like 10 meters and an inland city perched more than 1000m above sea...
  - dogma1138 3y ago
    Fine let’s compare it to Charlottetown it’s 5 degrees further south than London and its daily mean in January is -8c as well…