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>Yes, that's what we make right now on average. >If you work in tech for a few years that's kind of average. You should probably learn what "average" means if
by readyman 2y ago
>Yes, that's what we make right now on average.
>If you work in tech for a few years that's kind of average.
You should probably learn what "average" means if you're getting paid that much to develop software.
- fooker 2y agoThe first average is between two people over a few years. The second average is for similar tech jobs. But good job resorting to ad hominem.
- ok_dad 2y agoI’ll buy that 400-500k a year is average for Facebook, Apple, Google, etc. It’s absolutely NOT average for companies who aren’t the massive giants that those are. I’ve been in actual tech startups, not Uber for Clowns, and the best salary I’ve seen was an (admittedly very good) $170k for a senior dev position. That’s close to average when I talk to my friends and associates in tech in the valley and beyond.
- fooker 2y agoThe etc in your first sentence is doing a bit of heavy lifting here. There are so many companies in that category now that if you have any specialized software skill (compilers, ML, database engines, OS, systems in general) you can absolutely make that much if you wanted to. If you don't believe me, and have such skills, spend 20-30 days interviewing! Sure if you are a typical full stack developer you are not going to make that much money unless you get into Google or something. Also, base salaries are typically not that high, but the total compensation with equity can reach that pretty easily.
- ok_dad 2y agoI guess in the energy tech industry no one pays that because I’ve been looking, and I have pretty specialized skills.
- fooker 2y agoMakes sense, it's interesting to see this discrepancy between fields. Could you elaborate what specialized skills though?
- ok_dad 2y agoI write software systems to control devices in buildings in the context of energy savings, like hvac and charging cars, and also control attached distributed energy resources, like batteries or solar.
- fooker 2y agoA friend started working in this space last year. It seems like the usual story here is smaller companies giving you lottery tickets in the form of pre-IPO options. And large established companies paying a bit below market rates.
- varjag 2y agoSee when people say "tech" colloquially it means website and app developers, not us embedded dev hobos.
- sangnoir 2y agoEh, embedded and sensor-fusion devs are making bank working at Waymo, or VR at Apple or Meta. It's less about the field itself and more about big-tech salary-leveling (and insane profits)
- esoterica 2y agoFacebook, Apple and Google are very big companies which hire a lot of very well paid engineers. We're not talking about being an NFL quarterback or something where only a small handful of people will reach that level. Being a big tech engineer is probably the easiest and most achievable path to $500k/year on the planet.
- ta1243 2y agoQuite https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=ac7c7bbe4f75d28c https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=ac7c7bbe4f75d28c -- Staff software engineer 160-200k. https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=4a0886dfc2bbf783 https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=4a0886dfc2bbf783 -- 100-150k with need for top-secret clearance Then in Bay area specifically https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=2629520bf28dce4d https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=2629520bf28dce4d -- Senior staff 175-360k https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=9822ada0313c9665 https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=9822ada0313c9665 -- 150-300k for staff engineer in ML https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=088b23b29fd809a7 https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=088b23b29fd809a7 -- Senior 185k 400-500k is way over average for the Bay Area, let alone anywhere else
- fooker 2y agoThe range posted is usually just the base pay. For most public companies the total compensation would be ~60-80% more because of the stock. For senior positions, this would sometimes be 2x.
- justin66 2y agoI would have put it differently, but your use of “average” made me wonder what you were thinking as well. I’m still not quite sure. You’re not a hypothetical person whose salary and job prospects are unknown to… you. If you’ve received job offers locally and overseas that would be interesting, but what you’re talking about sounds like speculation.
- fooker 2y ago>If you’ve received job offers locally and overseas that would be interesting, but what you’re talking about sounds like speculation. Yes, I had considered moving to Europe after completing my Phd. The offers were about 1/3rd of US, with a significantly lower potential for growing beyond a few tens of percentages over 5-10 years.
- machomaster 2y agoIf you say something ridiculous and get gently called on it, it does not mean ad hominem.