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> cushy jobs Compared to what? Coal mining? Sewer maintenance? > well-above-average remuneration No. Below average remuneration. Median Public School Teache

• vasco 3y ago
  Healthcare, pension and extra vacation make this harder to calculate for teachers than for other jobs. It's not 1:1.
  • xcv123 3y ago
    If we have to nitpick over a few dollars down to that level of detail, I think we can all agree it's not a particularly high paying job.
    • geomark 3y ago
      Health coverage is nitpicking? And two months of vacation every summer?
      • xcv123 3y ago
        Health coverage is only worth a few thousand dollars. It's not a $50k bonus. They earn well below a typical developer salary. It's not like our cushy jobs. Yes they have extra vacation time but have to use a lot of that on unpaid planning time or additional study for ongoing certification requirements.
        • vasco 3y ago
          This thread wasn't comparing vs programmers but vs average I think. Most jobs get paid less than teachers.
          • xcv123 3y ago
            Stats show teachers get paid around average.
            • vasco 3y ago
              I agree with you. That's why I replied to a person that said they get paid below average as 1) they get paid around average as you say, and 2) they have a bunch of additional job perks that make it harder to calculate exactly. The bureau of labor statistics is clear about the fact they are not paid less than average. Elementary and High school teachers make $73,890 mean wage compared to $65,470 for "all occupations": 1. https://www.bls.gov/oes/2023/may/featured_data.htm#largest2 https://www.bls.gov/oes/2023/may/featured_data.htm#largest2 2. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes252031.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes252031.htm You can make this more complex and say that people with equivalent training get paid more, and they do, but then they don't have the perks I mentioned, like huge vacations, having the pleasure of teaching (there's a reason so many people want to teach and supply of teachers doesn't dwindle), pension after you retire, healthcare, and so on.
              • xcv123 2y ago
                Yep, even accounting for that, it's still in the ballpark of "average salary". Nothing special.
                • vasco 2y ago
                  No, the data show they are at average before accounting for the extra benefits. Since benefits are non-zero, they are above average.
                  • xcv123 2y ago
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• nickcox 3y ago
  Teachers in the US are famously poorly remunerated compared to other developed countries.