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hm.. i don't think iran destabilized syria, iraq, yemen, and most of all lebanon, to "protect themselves" from anybody. They're just looking for maximum regiona

• C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 2y ago
  > hm.. i don't think iran destabilized syria, iraq, yemen, and most of all lebanon, to "protect themselves" from anybody If you read even the basic Wikipedia historical last-few-decades overviews of those countries you mentioned, you will not read that Iran invaded and destroyed governments of those countries. You know who had a major part in destroying those countries? The "good guys". Iran is absolutely helping the Shia elements in those countries for its own geopolitical gain, but to claim that Iran has destabilized those countries after the western powers and arab gulf states ravaged them so thouroughly that they are all now considered failed states, is some absolute next level propaganda that I could not ignore.
  • bsaul 2y ago
    look at what hezbollah has done to lebanon...Also I didn't say iran invaded those countries. They just used proxy, like in the good old days (and keep doing it). Calling what they're doing "help" is a pretty .. let's say special ? way of looking at it. Hope you won't regret your pov once iranians are free again, hopefully not too far in the future.
    • C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 2y ago
      > look at what hezbollah has done to lebanon It played a major role in ending the occupation of the southern half of Lebanon by Israel [0], has since repelled another invasion [1], and now serves as a strong deterrent to any further invasions. Sounds like an extremely successful project, given that Israel is currently occupying parts of lands of multiple surrounding countries and has no intentions of ever giving those lands back [2], in defiance of UN Security Council resolutions. Hezbollah prevented the same fate in Lebanon. Yes, I understand that in the eyes of Israel it is the devil, for it has blocked Israel's ambitions of regional expansion, but that is irrelevant to everyone else. > Calling what they're doing "help" is a pretty .. let's say special ? way of looking at it Your reading comprehension is special. I said helping the Shia elements, not the countries themselves necessarily. The exact quote: "Iran is absolutely helping the Shia elements in those countries for its own geopolitical gain [...]" Anyway, given the above about ending the Israeli occupation of Lebanon, it seems that Iran has absolutely helped Lebanon at least. That Iran also gained regional influence through that act, and thus did it primarily for its own benefit, does not take away from that fact. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_conflict_(1985%E2%80%932000)#2000_Israeli_withdrawal_and_collapse_of_South_Lebanon_Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Lebanon_conflict_(1985%E... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War#Ground_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War#Ground_war [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-occupied_territories
      • tptacek 2y ago
        Read Oz Katerji (for one) for some depth on the regional standing Hezbollah has. Most notably, Hezbollah dragged Lebanon into direct and painful involvement with the Syrian civil war, at enormous cost, at the behest of Iran. I don't think you'll find many serious analysts suggesting that the IRGC has helped Lebanon. Stuff like "your reading comprehension is special" doesn't belong on HN.