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Presumably Charter doesn't have the power to edit proposed legislation. Who actually introduced it?

by masfuerte 3y ago

shmerl 3y ago
They have the power to control those who have the power to edit it. Which is basically the same thing.
- Forgeties79 3y ago
  It seems to me what they’re asking is who (elected official who Charter worked through) people can hold directly responsible
- Jensson 3y ago
  They have that power due to corrupt elected officials, who is the corrupt elected official here? You need to write giant hit pieces against every corrupt politician who introduces such things or these things never get better. That will be almost everyone at first, yes, but as things improve it will be less and less, and after a while it might be like a typical country instead of almost every politician. The problem isn't that lobbying is allowed, the problem is that corrupt politicians are allowed to act without punishment due to the press not caring about it. Blaming "lobbying" is just politicians way of deflecting blame when it is their own fault.
nullindividual 3y ago
That's how a lot of legislation is written. A private entity writes the legislation and hands it to a congress critter who will run with it.
- Loughla 3y ago
  I'm not sure what a good solution to this problem would be though. I do not expect my congressperson to be an expert in every issue. So they should go to the experts. What do you do when the experts have a vested interest in one narrative?
  - throwup238 3y ago
    > I'm not sure what a good solution to this problem would be though. A more powerful Congressional Legislative Counsel akin to the Congressional Budget Office. There is currently a House of Representatives Office of the Legislative Counsel and it does a lot of great work like summarize each bill, but it's rarely involved in legislative drafting unless explicitly asked. It should operate more like the CBO which gets called in for every bill that might impact government finances and the California Office of Legislative Counsel.

Presumably Charter doesn't have the power to edit proposed legislation. Who actually introduced it?

shmerl 3y ago

They have the power to control those who have the power to edit it. Which is basically the same thing.

Forgeties79 3y ago
It seems to me what they’re asking is who (elected official who Charter worked through) people can hold directly responsible
Jensson 3y ago
They have that power due to corrupt elected officials, who is the corrupt elected official here? You need to write giant hit pieces against every corrupt politician who introduces such things or these things never get better. That will be almost everyone at first, yes, but as things improve it will be less and less, and after a while it might be like a typical country instead of almost every politician. The problem isn't that lobbying is allowed, the problem is that corrupt politicians are allowed to act without punishment due to the press not caring about it. Blaming "lobbying" is just politicians way of deflecting blame when it is their own fault.

nullindividual 3y ago

That's how a lot of legislation is written. A private entity writes the legislation and hands it to a congress critter who will run with it.

Loughla 3y ago
I'm not sure what a good solution to this problem would be though. I do not expect my congressperson to be an expert in every issue. So they should go to the experts. What do you do when the experts have a vested interest in one narrative?
- throwup238 3y ago
  > I'm not sure what a good solution to this problem would be though. A more powerful Congressional Legislative Counsel akin to the Congressional Budget Office. There is currently a House of Representatives Office of the Legislative Counsel and it does a lot of great work like summarize each bill, but it's rarely involved in legislative drafting unless explicitly asked. It should operate more like the CBO which gets called in for every bill that might impact government finances and the California Office of Legislative Counsel.