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My thesis is that part of the issue is the ruinous empathy that is given to people who ultimately have no plans of getting better, or those who can't take care

My thesis is that part of the issue is the ruinous empathy that is given to people who ultimately have no plans of getting better, or those who can't take care of themselves and need society to step in with a loving but firm hand. It's the constant giving without expecting anything in return, only exacerbating the free-rider problem that many will take advantage of, in the name of empathy.

nineplay 2y ago
I agree and I think a lot of 'solutions' are going to fail until the people involved acknowledge that kindness and empathy aren't enough. By most accounts there are a lot of homeless people who are living pretty comfortably as far as they're concerned. If I want my library back ( I do ) than I need to find a way to make living in front of it less comfortable for them.
Gibbon1 2y ago
I think it's the opposite, the ruinous callousness that sees able bodied homeless sleeping on the street and thinking they're a problem that needs to be eliminated. Instead of thinking why is an able bodied man or woman not be able to afford to sleep indoors. https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/permit-home-building-code-19369323.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/permit-home-building-...
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 2y ago
  That's because everybody has given up on ever seeing SF allow more construction. It'll be easier for Elon to setup a colony on Mars and ship people there than to get SF politicians and NIMBYs to loosen their grip.
  - Gibbon1 2y ago
    SF is it's own special. Having lived their for a large portion of my life it's big issue is the lack of mass transit. That's due to Federal car centric infrastructure policies, prop 13 that causes muni's to favor commercial development over residential, and a incompetent short sighted politicians. Problem is housing is a problem all over. Which is more due to the international cabal of capitalist slumlords that run things. Those guys love using the financial system to bid up prices of existing real estate vs building new stuff.

nineplay 2y ago

I agree and I think a lot of 'solutions' are going to fail until the people involved acknowledge that kindness and empathy aren't enough. By most accounts there are a lot of homeless people who are living pretty comfortably as far as they're concerned. If I want my library back ( I do ) than I need to find a way to make living in front of it less comfortable for them.

Gibbon1 2y ago

I think it's the opposite, the ruinous callousness that sees able bodied homeless sleeping on the street and thinking they're a problem that needs to be eliminated. Instead of thinking why is an able bodied man or woman not be able to afford to sleep indoors. https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/permit-home-building-code-19369323.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/permit-home-building-...

8f2ab37a-ed6c 2y ago
That's because everybody has given up on ever seeing SF allow more construction. It'll be easier for Elon to setup a colony on Mars and ship people there than to get SF politicians and NIMBYs to loosen their grip.
- Gibbon1 2y ago
  SF is it's own special. Having lived their for a large portion of my life it's big issue is the lack of mass transit. That's due to Federal car centric infrastructure policies, prop 13 that causes muni's to favor commercial development over residential, and a incompetent short sighted politicians. Problem is housing is a problem all over. Which is more due to the international cabal of capitalist slumlords that run things. Those guys love using the financial system to bid up prices of existing real estate vs building new stuff.