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This... Is a good thing? Time goes on, production scales up, and and things get cheaper, no? Shame to see the Elon hate on HN, he has made an exceptional produc

This... Is a good thing? Time goes on, production scales up, and and things get cheaper, no? Shame to see the Elon hate on HN, he has made an exceptional product that is kick-starting the green energy revolution.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
I own several Teslas, and have a trial of FSD. It is in no way worth $8k or $100/month as long as I have to fully supervise it. I am not interested in paying for Tesla to attempt to justify an unrealistic valuation based on “we’re a robotaxi company.” My auto wipers don’t even work on my “legacy” 2018 Model S. The charging network and vehicle platform are exceptional. The “self driving” is driver assist and only an assist.
- angoragoats 2y ago
  > The charging network and vehicle platform are exceptional. The “self driving” is driver assist and only an assist. Agreed, and I'd add that while I agree the underlying platform and charging network are exceptional, the finished vehicles themselves are often lacking in polish and are in no way what I would call exceptional. Panel gaps, cheap feeling materials, lack of carplay/android auto (seriously?), lack of a directional signal stalk on recent models, very few physical buttons, all controls and displays in the center of the dash out of the direct line of sight of the driver (at least on the 3/Y/truck), and wildly under-delivering on performance/range/price of the cybertruck vs. the announced specs are all examples I've seen. I'm betting that open access to NACS and the supercharger network by other brands' EVs is going to be detrimental to Tesla in the long term, because that's one of their biggest advantages at the moment.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    > I'm betting that open access to NACS and the supercharger network by other brands' EVs is going to be detrimental to Tesla in the long term, because that's one of their biggest advantages at the moment. Other brands have to pay for access, and cannot sell EVs without access to the network due to consumer range anxiety. Tesla either gets unit margin, or a cut of legacy auto EV sales for network access. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/29/tesla-to-earn-billions-from-charging-partnerships-with-ford-others.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/29/tesla-to-earn-billions-from-...
    - angoragoats 2y ago
      Good info, thank you. I wonder if this means that Tesla will eventually become primarily an EV charging platform company. Despite being the owner of an EV for the last 8 years who will likely never buy an ICE car again, I can't see myself ever buying a Tesla vehicle in their current form. But I'm very interested in non-Tesla EVs with access to Tesla chargers.
ado__dev 2y ago
Elon has stated relentlessly that the price of FSD will only go up as it gets closer to release because it’s going to become increasingly better and more valuable. It went from $15->$12->$8k in the span of a year. Seems like it’s doing the opposite of getting better.
paulddraper 2y ago
The fall from "genius" to "idiot" in the eyes of internet quarterbacks is amusing.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

I own several Teslas, and have a trial of FSD. It is in no way worth $8k or $100/month as long as I have to fully supervise it. I am not interested in paying for Tesla to attempt to justify an unrealistic valuation based on “we’re a robotaxi company.” My auto wipers don’t even work on my “legacy” 2018 Model S. The charging network and vehicle platform are exceptional. The “self driving” is driver assist and only an assist.

angoragoats 2y ago
> The charging network and vehicle platform are exceptional. The “self driving” is driver assist and only an assist. Agreed, and I'd add that while I agree the underlying platform and charging network are exceptional, the finished vehicles themselves are often lacking in polish and are in no way what I would call exceptional. Panel gaps, cheap feeling materials, lack of carplay/android auto (seriously?), lack of a directional signal stalk on recent models, very few physical buttons, all controls and displays in the center of the dash out of the direct line of sight of the driver (at least on the 3/Y/truck), and wildly under-delivering on performance/range/price of the cybertruck vs. the announced specs are all examples I've seen. I'm betting that open access to NACS and the supercharger network by other brands' EVs is going to be detrimental to Tesla in the long term, because that's one of their biggest advantages at the moment.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  > I'm betting that open access to NACS and the supercharger network by other brands' EVs is going to be detrimental to Tesla in the long term, because that's one of their biggest advantages at the moment. Other brands have to pay for access, and cannot sell EVs without access to the network due to consumer range anxiety. Tesla either gets unit margin, or a cut of legacy auto EV sales for network access. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/29/tesla-to-earn-billions-from-charging-partnerships-with-ford-others.html https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/29/tesla-to-earn-billions-from-...
  - angoragoats 2y ago
    Good info, thank you. I wonder if this means that Tesla will eventually become primarily an EV charging platform company. Despite being the owner of an EV for the last 8 years who will likely never buy an ICE car again, I can't see myself ever buying a Tesla vehicle in their current form. But I'm very interested in non-Tesla EVs with access to Tesla chargers.

ado__dev 2y ago

Elon has stated relentlessly that the price of FSD will only go up as it gets closer to release because it’s going to become increasingly better and more valuable. It went from $15->$12->$8k in the span of a year. Seems like it’s doing the opposite of getting better.

paulddraper 2y ago

The fall from "genius" to "idiot" in the eyes of internet quarterbacks is amusing.