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we have a company that has a monopoly that is honestly unimaginable (how does someone monopolize computation of all things...) and we know that all monopolies

we have a company that has a monopoly that is honestly unimaginable (how does someone monopolize computation of all things...) and we know that all monopolies require government enforcement to prevent others from competing... then we know that there's no such thing as a conflict between Microsoft and the us government the us govt is to serve Microsoft and that's that. any conversation like this about the merits of Microsoft as a market participant are laughable and disingenuous theres no programmer alive that knows the history of Microsoft that would speak about them as you have just done, as an honest company trying to make a product actually sick to see how HN has been corrupted

extrememacaroni 2y ago
it's ok, they said they're "not a fan of microsoft", clearly that means they're not corrupted.
nonrandomstring 2y ago
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vlovich123 2y ago
Then go after them for monopolistic abuses. Arguably Lina Khan is the first FTC chair to be making noise about it yet the only thing about Microsoft has been their OpenAI partnership because it's sexy & nothing about their traditional marketplace participation. The EU is going after them a bit more aggressively & having some success. Ultimately this would still be the US government's failings - claiming that makes Microsoft a national security threat is a joke & disingenous. I know the history of MS anti-trust fairly well having grown up during the core part of their monopolist years - now they're part of the familiar oligopaly that's strangling tech. > and we know that all monopolies require government enforcement to prevent others from competing... Do we know that? That may be true of government run monopologies, but I'm pretty sure most marketplace monopolies rely on lack of government enforcement. For example, here's some analysis showing how US case law makes the government wary of going after Amazon for driving Quidsi out of business & forcing an acquisition by Amazon: https://cei.org/blog/amazons-private-labels-dont-threaten-competition/ https://cei.org/blog/amazons-private-labels-dont-threaten-co.... Ironically US does enforce rules against dumping from international players which shows that it realizes the harm that such activity can have, it just chooses to allow it for domestic players abusing smaller domestic players.

extrememacaroni 2y ago

it's ok, they said they're "not a fan of microsoft", clearly that means they're not corrupted.

nonrandomstring 2y ago

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vlovich123 2y ago

Then go after them for monopolistic abuses. Arguably Lina Khan is the first FTC chair to be making noise about it yet the only thing about Microsoft has been their OpenAI partnership because it's sexy & nothing about their traditional marketplace participation. The EU is going after them a bit more aggressively & having some success. Ultimately this would still be the US government's failings - claiming that makes Microsoft a national security threat is a joke & disingenous. I know the history of MS anti-trust fairly well having grown up during the core part of their monopolist years - now they're part of the familiar oligopaly that's strangling tech. > and we know that all monopolies require government enforcement to prevent others from competing... Do we know that? That may be true of government run monopologies, but I'm pretty sure most marketplace monopolies rely on lack of government enforcement. For example, here's some analysis showing how US case law makes the government wary of going after Amazon for driving Quidsi out of business & forcing an acquisition by Amazon: https://cei.org/blog/amazons-private-labels-dont-threaten-competition/ https://cei.org/blog/amazons-private-labels-dont-threaten-co.... Ironically US does enforce rules against dumping from international players which shows that it realizes the harm that such activity can have, it just chooses to allow it for domestic players abusing smaller domestic players.