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> that sounds like a ridiculous comparison So you assume social media is required for a successful life? I bet there were people that would have argued in the

> that sounds like a ridiculous comparison So you assume social media is required for a successful life? I bet there were people that would have argued in the ‘50s and ‘60s that the social aspect of smoking was helpful to having a successful life back then too. Never mind the cancer and all being popular with your peers is what’s important.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
> So you assume social media is required for a successful life? No, nothing in my post assumed or even suggested that. Recall the discussion was whether smartphones and tablets have any more utility than nicotine. Let's forget social media for a moment, then, since it's a red herring here. I can, and do, capably use both devices without needing to use social media. Yes, being able to use a smartphone or tablet is likely required for many successful careers, and likely more in the future. If someone looking for a job can only use a phone or tablet as well as my grandma can use a mouse, that unfortunately rules out some career options. The story is the same for me: Had I no access to computers or technology until I was an adult, I would have a totally different career path and life. Not sure I'd be as happy in that case as I am now. I don't like how "devices" are replacing full-fledged computers (maybe it's the old man in me), but that only portends more hardship for people handicapped in "on-device computing".
- kcplate 3y ago
  The article was about social media rotting kids brains and devices being the path to that rotten apple…so remove the path. The other comment made the comparison that tobacco use doesn’t work in small bites either. You made the successful life skills connection, so it’s not a huge leap of assumption to see that you were connecting social media usage to those successful life skills. I merely made the further connection that smoking had a social connection too and was yet another rotten thing we did to ourselves and kids once upon a time. Frankly, I’d also suggest to your point that devices, computer, and coding skills are going to be less important in the future. I think coding and SW dev will become less and less a human endeavor and more a product of AI practically eliminating the vocation, but that’s not what this thread is about and I am sure not what folks on HN will want to hear. People will also manage to figure out how to utilize the tech of their time, they won’t need to be exposed to it as children. I know I wasn’t, and my nearly 90 year old mother manages to use a smartphone and tablet just fine and she didn’t even have indoor plumbing when she grew up.
  - ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
    The thread I responded to was a story about a child using a tablet, and a reply saying that particular story was "akin" to children consuming nicotine. Neither contained any mention of social media. I can, and do, capably use both tablets (and smartphones!) without needing to use social media, and we have no indication that the child in question used social media. So, let's forget social media for a moment, then, since it's a red herring here. Let's return to topic: whether the story of child tablet usage which spawned this thread is "akin to" child nicotine consumption. I appreciate your point about deep computer knowledge being less useful as HCI approaches a conversation, and can see that being a possible future as well.
inglor_cz 3y ago
I wouldn't be as dismissive as you. Even at the height of smoking, around half of the population were nonsmokers. https://www.statista.com/statistics/184418/percentage-of-cigarette-smoking-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/184418/percentage-of-cig... How many high school kids don't have a smartphone, especially outside the poorest areas? One in thirty? Socially, it is very different being part of half of the population, and a tiny minority of the population, doubly so if it restricts your communication capabilities and you are left out of all common activities of your peers. The situation can be fixed, but a critical mass of people willing to change their current ways must gather and be willing to sacrifice some efficiency and comfort for the sake of personal contact.
- kcplate 3y ago
  Not being dismissive, but if 1 kid in 30 doesn’t smoke, but 29 do, that doesn’t make smoking any less dangerous.

ImPostingOnHN 3y ago

> So you assume social media is required for a successful life? No, nothing in my post assumed or even suggested that. Recall the discussion was whether smartphones and tablets have any more utility than nicotine. Let's forget social media for a moment, then, since it's a red herring here. I can, and do, capably use both devices without needing to use social media. Yes, being able to use a smartphone or tablet is likely required for many successful careers, and likely more in the future. If someone looking for a job can only use a phone or tablet as well as my grandma can use a mouse, that unfortunately rules out some career options. The story is the same for me: Had I no access to computers or technology until I was an adult, I would have a totally different career path and life. Not sure I'd be as happy in that case as I am now. I don't like how "devices" are replacing full-fledged computers (maybe it's the old man in me), but that only portends more hardship for people handicapped in "on-device computing".

kcplate 3y ago
The article was about social media rotting kids brains and devices being the path to that rotten apple…so remove the path. The other comment made the comparison that tobacco use doesn’t work in small bites either. You made the successful life skills connection, so it’s not a huge leap of assumption to see that you were connecting social media usage to those successful life skills. I merely made the further connection that smoking had a social connection too and was yet another rotten thing we did to ourselves and kids once upon a time. Frankly, I’d also suggest to your point that devices, computer, and coding skills are going to be less important in the future. I think coding and SW dev will become less and less a human endeavor and more a product of AI practically eliminating the vocation, but that’s not what this thread is about and I am sure not what folks on HN will want to hear. People will also manage to figure out how to utilize the tech of their time, they won’t need to be exposed to it as children. I know I wasn’t, and my nearly 90 year old mother manages to use a smartphone and tablet just fine and she didn’t even have indoor plumbing when she grew up.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago
  The thread I responded to was a story about a child using a tablet, and a reply saying that particular story was "akin" to children consuming nicotine. Neither contained any mention of social media. I can, and do, capably use both tablets (and smartphones!) without needing to use social media, and we have no indication that the child in question used social media. So, let's forget social media for a moment, then, since it's a red herring here. Let's return to topic: whether the story of child tablet usage which spawned this thread is "akin to" child nicotine consumption. I appreciate your point about deep computer knowledge being less useful as HCI approaches a conversation, and can see that being a possible future as well.

inglor_cz 3y ago

I wouldn't be as dismissive as you. Even at the height of smoking, around half of the population were nonsmokers. https://www.statista.com/statistics/184418/percentage-of-cigarette-smoking-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/184418/percentage-of-cig... How many high school kids don't have a smartphone, especially outside the poorest areas? One in thirty? Socially, it is very different being part of half of the population, and a tiny minority of the population, doubly so if it restricts your communication capabilities and you are left out of all common activities of your peers. The situation can be fixed, but a critical mass of people willing to change their current ways must gather and be willing to sacrifice some efficiency and comfort for the sake of personal contact.

kcplate 3y ago
Not being dismissive, but if 1 kid in 30 doesn’t smoke, but 29 do, that doesn’t make smoking any less dangerous.