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It may be semantics, but I'd call that solved homelessness with another problem remaining I don't think zero is realistic. Roaming is flexible, we talking Euro

It may be semantics, but I'd call that solved homelessness with another problem remaining I don't think zero is realistic. Roaming is flexible, we talking Europe or Texas intersection? Obviously I kid, that's loaded.

constantcrying 3y ago
How is people living under bridges and living off begging and collecting bottles "solved homelessness"?
- bravetraveler 3y ago
  They clearly chose to not take advantage, that's the information I have to work off of in this So is homelessness the problem, or the most visible symptom? My 'answer' is one final question: how is this not a mental health problem, among probably others? (Clerical, procedural, etc) I'm rambling now, but we can throw stones at people or try to help. Perfect, better, enemies Politics and such turn everything into an xy problem. The homeless that remain aren't the ones we'd see if nothing happens. Hell, maybe they don't see a problem. That's not really even our place to say. Nobody wins in a society. That's the idea, in a way. Edit: the simplest answer is that every system has bad-faith participation. The ones who want a home can get one, it's 'solved', except the fringe remains... the holdouts There's a lot of room for study here. It isn't logical, and yet. Perhaps we're "solving" the wrong thing.
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    Yes, exactly. Homelessness is to a large extent mental illness, specifical mental illness so severe that it alienates everyone around you. Blaming homelessness on a lack of social funding is just severely misinformed. But it is a very pleasant lie, because you can then imagine that a solution actually exists "if only...".
    - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
      What are the homelessness rates between Germany and the US? Germany has good publicly funded medical care, schools, and housing. It may well be that lack of US investment in the same is in large part responsible for the I suspect huge differences between the two. You can look at Germany and say “they didn’t completely solve the problem so we shouldn’t try anything they are doing” or you can recognize the huge strides their efforts have made towards this complex issue, and consider how we might do the same.
      - constantcrying 3y ago
        I was extremely surprised looking at the numbers. Apparently Germany has more homelessness people than the US in absolute terms. Which is around 4 times the prevalence in relative terms. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Germany And: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_S... the statistics section I don't know whether I am just comparing the wrong numbers or whether they count differently. But apparently Germany has much, much more homeless people. Even the amount of sheltered people, is roughly the same in absolute terms.

constantcrying 3y ago

How is people living under bridges and living off begging and collecting bottles "solved homelessness"?

bravetraveler 3y ago
They clearly chose to not take advantage, that's the information I have to work off of in this So is homelessness the problem, or the most visible symptom? My 'answer' is one final question: how is this not a mental health problem, among probably others? (Clerical, procedural, etc) I'm rambling now, but we can throw stones at people or try to help. Perfect, better, enemies Politics and such turn everything into an xy problem. The homeless that remain aren't the ones we'd see if nothing happens. Hell, maybe they don't see a problem. That's not really even our place to say. Nobody wins in a society. That's the idea, in a way. Edit: the simplest answer is that every system has bad-faith participation. The ones who want a home can get one, it's 'solved', except the fringe remains... the holdouts There's a lot of room for study here. It isn't logical, and yet. Perhaps we're "solving" the wrong thing.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  Yes, exactly. Homelessness is to a large extent mental illness, specifical mental illness so severe that it alienates everyone around you. Blaming homelessness on a lack of social funding is just severely misinformed. But it is a very pleasant lie, because you can then imagine that a solution actually exists "if only...".
  - TaylorAlexander 3y ago
    What are the homelessness rates between Germany and the US? Germany has good publicly funded medical care, schools, and housing. It may well be that lack of US investment in the same is in large part responsible for the I suspect huge differences between the two. You can look at Germany and say “they didn’t completely solve the problem so we shouldn’t try anything they are doing” or you can recognize the huge strides their efforts have made towards this complex issue, and consider how we might do the same.
    - constantcrying 3y ago
      I was extremely surprised looking at the numbers. Apparently Germany has more homelessness people than the US in absolute terms. Which is around 4 times the prevalence in relative terms. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Germany https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_Germany And: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_the_United_S... the statistics section I don't know whether I am just comparing the wrong numbers or whether they count differently. But apparently Germany has much, much more homeless people. Even the amount of sheltered people, is roughly the same in absolute terms.