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The Peril of Slowness: American Mistakes During Russia's War in Ukraine [video]

6 points by consumer451 3y ago

consumer451 3y ago
This is highly critical, founded in the reality which a historian can bring, and is well worth the watch. One of many solid arguments made here that is the risks of nuclear proliferation are increased by ceding a rising democracy like Ukraine to an authoritarian country like modern Russia. The speaker begins around 5:00, here is the link with a timestamp: https://youtu.be/JVs2y-YeiFM?t=319 https://youtu.be/JVs2y-YeiFM?t=319
electricdreams 3y ago
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- consumer451 3y ago
  This is the most deranged comment that I have ever read on this website, by a long, long way. However, I'd like to thank you for painting a very clear picture of the insanity that civilization is fighting against in Ukraine.
secondary_op 3y ago
You are living in a information bubble of Idiocracy if you are taking world view of a Snyder seriously, get out of it.
- consumer451 3y ago
  Your argument is not convincing. Please try again. This isn't X/Twitter/Outrage as a Service. We have rules here[0], and more than 160 characters are allowed in a comment to explain your case. This is not the website for "you is dumb!" as an argument. Instead of attacking me, and the person whose well reasoned lecture I just posted, please educate us with your personal sound arguments, or at least links which support what you are attempting to communicate. I look forward to your reply. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
consumer451 3y ago
Now that I have had more time to process this lecture, the main message is that "a peaceful post-war Europe is a myth," even after WWII, Holland, Belgium, France, Spain, all of these countries learned nothing from WWII. They all kept trying to be imperial powers. They murdered millions, after WWII. It took countless lost lives across the globe for these countries to lose their imperial wars. Google "Belgium Congo," these horrors happened in the 1950's - carried out by a now considered peaceful European country. Each of these countries had to lose their own imperial ambitions, by losing major wars. That is when they became "normal" and peaceful, and Europe could begin. This is what must happen to Russia now. We cannot decide their next system of government. But if we want a chance at a "normal" European Russia, then Imperialist Russia must lose their last imperial battle, in Ukraine. This is the only path to "normal" Russia that is not threatening the planet with Armageddon every day. A Russia which finally lives up to the promise of its amazing people.
- consumer451 3y ago
  Correction: "Belgium Congo" atrocities which come up first in that search will be pre-war. However, Belgium, Holland, France, Spain, Portugal did in-fact not close their portfolios of empire and murder until many years and lives after WWII.

6 points by consumer451 3y ago

This is highly critical, founded in the reality which a historian can bring, and is well worth the watch. One of many solid arguments made here that is the risks of nuclear proliferation are increased by ceding a rising democracy like Ukraine to an authoritarian country like modern Russia. The speaker begins around 5:00, here is the link with a timestamp: https://youtu.be/JVs2y-YeiFM?t=319 https://youtu.be/JVs2y-YeiFM?t=319

electricdreams 3y ago

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consumer451 3y ago
This is the most deranged comment that I have ever read on this website, by a long, long way. However, I'd like to thank you for painting a very clear picture of the insanity that civilization is fighting against in Ukraine.

secondary_op 3y ago

You are living in a information bubble of Idiocracy if you are taking world view of a Snyder seriously, get out of it.

consumer451 3y ago
Your argument is not convincing. Please try again. This isn't X/Twitter/Outrage as a Service. We have rules here[0], and more than 160 characters are allowed in a comment to explain your case. This is not the website for "you is dumb!" as an argument. Instead of attacking me, and the person whose well reasoned lecture I just posted, please educate us with your personal sound arguments, or at least links which support what you are attempting to communicate. I look forward to your reply. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

consumer451 3y ago

Now that I have had more time to process this lecture, the main message is that "a peaceful post-war Europe is a myth," even after WWII, Holland, Belgium, France, Spain, all of these countries learned nothing from WWII. They all kept trying to be imperial powers. They murdered millions, after WWII. It took countless lost lives across the globe for these countries to lose their imperial wars. Google "Belgium Congo," these horrors happened in the 1950's - carried out by a now considered peaceful European country. Each of these countries had to lose their own imperial ambitions, by losing major wars. That is when they became "normal" and peaceful, and Europe could begin. This is what must happen to Russia now. We cannot decide their next system of government. But if we want a chance at a "normal" European Russia, then Imperialist Russia must lose their last imperial battle, in Ukraine. This is the only path to "normal" Russia that is not threatening the planet with Armageddon every day. A Russia which finally lives up to the promise of its amazing people.

consumer451 3y ago
Correction: "Belgium Congo" atrocities which come up first in that search will be pre-war. However, Belgium, Holland, France, Spain, Portugal did in-fact not close their portfolios of empire and murder until many years and lives after WWII.