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It does feel somewhat ironic to complain about the subway system… and then move to New Jersey. It’s also hardly a low tax haven, the property taxes are eye wate

It does feel somewhat ironic to complain about the subway system… and then move to New Jersey. It’s also hardly a low tax haven, the property taxes are eye watering. Generally speaking, as an NYC resident I’ll be curious to see longer term trends for people leaving the city. There was a notable exodus when COVID hit but my anecdotal experience is that it didn’t continue.

bradleyjg 3y ago
Property taxes aren’t nothing in nyc and there’s an income tax on top. Plus sales. No one knows where all the money is going.
kkfx 3y ago
I enter, as an European who only know NY for tourism: in most large cities we see a significant mean-income decrease simply because remote working have convinced many high income people going outside the large city, followed by not too old retired to do the same, swapping their vacation home with their old main residence. Due to it's size I imaging NY have experienced this phenomenon apparently less (due to the size) but substantially more. Even if most "big & powerful" have done and do their best to fight remote work, their success is limited, even gifts like short workweeks and various benefits do not keep many in the office. There is no advertisement, people seems even to fear stating "I'm for WFH 100%", but most who works in jobs doable from remote actually want to do them from home. Meanwhile poor people keep going to the city seeking possible opportunities, collective transport since they can't own a car, social housing since they can't own/rent a home and so on. This is actually a bit exaggerated for today, but it's the trend, covid have pushed many, many are back, simply because they are forced to be back and their secondary homes are not really usable to live the entire year, they have not enough services around and so on, but things slowly change, and the trend is the big city as a giant labor camp of poor, not owning nothing and being bound to services they need and no way to escape.

bradleyjg 3y ago

Property taxes aren’t nothing in nyc and there’s an income tax on top. Plus sales. No one knows where all the money is going.

kkfx 3y ago

I enter, as an European who only know NY for tourism: in most large cities we see a significant mean-income decrease simply because remote working have convinced many high income people going outside the large city, followed by not too old retired to do the same, swapping their vacation home with their old main residence. Due to it's size I imaging NY have experienced this phenomenon apparently less (due to the size) but substantially more. Even if most "big & powerful" have done and do their best to fight remote work, their success is limited, even gifts like short workweeks and various benefits do not keep many in the office. There is no advertisement, people seems even to fear stating "I'm for WFH 100%", but most who works in jobs doable from remote actually want to do them from home. Meanwhile poor people keep going to the city seeking possible opportunities, collective transport since they can't own a car, social housing since they can't own/rent a home and so on. This is actually a bit exaggerated for today, but it's the trend, covid have pushed many, many are back, simply because they are forced to be back and their secondary homes are not really usable to live the entire year, they have not enough services around and so on, but things slowly change, and the trend is the big city as a giant labor camp of poor, not owning nothing and being bound to services they need and no way to escape.