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> How about a promoting vision of tech where people who can actually code well instead of virtue signal are promoted This vision is called the Peter Principle

> How about a promoting vision of tech where people who can actually code well instead of virtue signal are promoted This vision is called the Peter Principle and has bad outcomes. Also, "virtue signalling" is an essential part of leadership, also known as "setting an example", "defining culture", etc. (I actually filed a bug at work recently that was fixed by a VP. This mostly annoyed me because 1. I don't know how to do a code review for a VP if it gets time consuming and 2. …doesn't he have something better to do?)

ben_w 3y ago
I was originally introduced to the term "virtue signalling" by the example of rich people choosing to wear Rolex watches and hating anyone who wore a fake Rolex far more than the merely looking down on people who wore a normal watch or no watch. Rolex watches keep worse time than a Casio F-91W: """It’s accepted that a normal range of time lost for a watch is close to 3 minutes per month. If your watch is gaining time, the norm is around 6 additional minutes per month. If your Rolex falls within these specs, your watch is keeping time beautifully.""" - https://watchchest.com/journal/rolex-timekeeping-accuracy-explained.html https://watchchest.com/journal/rolex-timekeeping-accuracy-ex... vs. "Accuracy at normal temperature: ±30 seconds a month" - https://www.manualslib.com/manual/3098565/Casio-F91w.html https://www.manualslib.com/manual/3098565/Casio-F91w.html When people use the phrase "virtue signalling" to indicate tribal identification, I think that itself is an act of "virtue signalling" in the sense they are using it; conversely for the usage I learned, it has to be a costly signal, something objectively bad value that you're showing off, because if you're doing a directly good thing (or too cheap to matter) then it's not a metaphorical peacock tail — which sports team you follow, that's not "virtue signalling" by itself, but getting into a punch-up over which team you're in, that would be.
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  Accusations of virtue signaling, I've often observed, is most commonly employed by those who want to virtue signal their supposed superior sense of rationality and lack of bias, despite tacitly staking out moral positions of their own in order to make the accusation in the first place. It's all feigned neutrality and pretending to be above it all.
- slau 3y ago
  I don’t understand how the example you discuss can be considered virtue signalling. I was under the impression that virtue signalling was about projecting morals and ethics to make one look good. Greenwashing is one example of virtue signaling I’m aware of. What virtue does “rich people wearing Rolexes hating on people who wear fake Rolexes even though are worse time keepers than a cheap Casio” demonstrate?

ben_w 3y ago

I was originally introduced to the term "virtue signalling" by the example of rich people choosing to wear Rolex watches and hating anyone who wore a fake Rolex far more than the merely looking down on people who wore a normal watch or no watch. Rolex watches keep worse time than a Casio F-91W: """It’s accepted that a normal range of time lost for a watch is close to 3 minutes per month. If your watch is gaining time, the norm is around 6 additional minutes per month. If your Rolex falls within these specs, your watch is keeping time beautifully.""" - https://watchchest.com/journal/rolex-timekeeping-accuracy-explained.html https://watchchest.com/journal/rolex-timekeeping-accuracy-ex... vs. "Accuracy at normal temperature: ±30 seconds a month" - https://www.manualslib.com/manual/3098565/Casio-F91w.html https://www.manualslib.com/manual/3098565/Casio-F91w.html When people use the phrase "virtue signalling" to indicate tribal identification, I think that itself is an act of "virtue signalling" in the sense they are using it; conversely for the usage I learned, it has to be a costly signal, something objectively bad value that you're showing off, because if you're doing a directly good thing (or too cheap to matter) then it's not a metaphorical peacock tail — which sports team you follow, that's not "virtue signalling" by itself, but getting into a punch-up over which team you're in, that would be.

Apocryphon 3y ago
Accusations of virtue signaling, I've often observed, is most commonly employed by those who want to virtue signal their supposed superior sense of rationality and lack of bias, despite tacitly staking out moral positions of their own in order to make the accusation in the first place. It's all feigned neutrality and pretending to be above it all.
slau 3y ago
I don’t understand how the example you discuss can be considered virtue signalling. I was under the impression that virtue signalling was about projecting morals and ethics to make one look good. Greenwashing is one example of virtue signaling I’m aware of. What virtue does “rich people wearing Rolexes hating on people who wear fake Rolexes even though are worse time keepers than a cheap Casio” demonstrate?