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I don’t think that’s the case actually. Your upbringing and society matters a lot. There are many countries with very low homeless rate and if you go to Europe,

I don’t think that’s the case actually. Your upbringing and society matters a lot. There are many countries with very low homeless rate and if you go to Europe, they have homeless but they are not even close to the homeless we have in the US. I am in Los Angeles and I have never seen anything like the situation here and I don’t think there is any if you go around the world. Maybe in the worst neighborhoods in third world countries. Even in Iran the homeless were not like they are here and I was raised there. Something is fundamentally wrong here

zer00eyz 3y ago
I live in CA too. Go look at what Houston did. Look at what CA did. https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/18/something-is-clearly-off-with-californias-homelessness-spending/ https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/18/something-is-clearly-o... WE spent 42k per homeless person. We could have rented them all apartments for the year for that price. It would have made more sense.
- michelsedgh 3y ago
  Then there would be no money left for corrupt politicians here what do u mean? ;)
- constantcrying 2y ago
  >We could have rented them all apartments for the year for that price. It would have made more sense. No, you can't. You can not give the homeless apartments and I do mean that literally. "I pay for your rent, food, water, electricity and give you money for alcohol" isn't a good enough incentive for homeless people to stop being homeless. If it were homeless people wouldn't exist here in Germany, yet they do.
TaylorAlexander 3y ago
Europe certainly has way better social safety nets, so that really support GP’s call to provide basic support to all people in the USA. That’s probably not the only issue here but it’s a big one.
- constantcrying 2y ago
  Germany has legally guaranteed housing, the state will cover your rent, electricity, water and food. Yet homeless people still roam the streets and they have encampment under bridges or in subway stations. Even maximalists safety nets don't resolve homelessness.
  - bravetraveler 2y ago
    It may be semantics, but I'd call that solved homelessness with another problem remaining I don't think zero is realistic. Roaming is flexible, we talking Europe or Texas intersection? Obviously I kid, that's loaded.
    - constantcrying 2y ago
      How is people living under bridges and living off begging and collecting bottles "solved homelessness"?
      - bravetraveler 2y ago
        They clearly chose to not take advantage, that's the information I have to work off of in this So is homelessness the problem, or the most visible symptom? My 'answer' is one final question: how is this not a mental health problem, among probably others? (Clerical, procedural, etc) I'm rambling now, but we can throw stones at people or try to help. Perfect, better, enemies Politics and such turn everything into an xy problem. The homeless that remain aren't the ones we'd see if nothing happens. Hell, maybe they don't see a problem. That's not really even our place to say. Nobody wins in a society. That's the idea, in a way. Edit: the simplest answer is that every system has bad-faith participation. The ones who want a home can get one, it's 'solved', except the fringe remains... the holdouts There's a lot of room for study here. It isn't logical, and yet. Perhaps we're "solving" the wrong thing.
        constantcrying 2y ago

zer00eyz 3y ago

I live in CA too. Go look at what Houston did. Look at what CA did. https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/18/something-is-clearly-off-with-californias-homelessness-spending/ https://www.ocregister.com/2023/07/18/something-is-clearly-o... WE spent 42k per homeless person. We could have rented them all apartments for the year for that price. It would have made more sense.

michelsedgh 3y ago
Then there would be no money left for corrupt politicians here what do u mean? ;)
constantcrying 2y ago
>We could have rented them all apartments for the year for that price. It would have made more sense. No, you can't. You can not give the homeless apartments and I do mean that literally. "I pay for your rent, food, water, electricity and give you money for alcohol" isn't a good enough incentive for homeless people to stop being homeless. If it were homeless people wouldn't exist here in Germany, yet they do.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

Europe certainly has way better social safety nets, so that really support GP’s call to provide basic support to all people in the USA. That’s probably not the only issue here but it’s a big one.

constantcrying 2y ago
Germany has legally guaranteed housing, the state will cover your rent, electricity, water and food. Yet homeless people still roam the streets and they have encampment under bridges or in subway stations. Even maximalists safety nets don't resolve homelessness.
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  It may be semantics, but I'd call that solved homelessness with another problem remaining I don't think zero is realistic. Roaming is flexible, we talking Europe or Texas intersection? Obviously I kid, that's loaded.
  - constantcrying 2y ago
    How is people living under bridges and living off begging and collecting bottles "solved homelessness"?
    - bravetraveler 2y ago
      They clearly chose to not take advantage, that's the information I have to work off of in this So is homelessness the problem, or the most visible symptom? My 'answer' is one final question: how is this not a mental health problem, among probably others? (Clerical, procedural, etc) I'm rambling now, but we can throw stones at people or try to help. Perfect, better, enemies Politics and such turn everything into an xy problem. The homeless that remain aren't the ones we'd see if nothing happens. Hell, maybe they don't see a problem. That's not really even our place to say. Nobody wins in a society. That's the idea, in a way. Edit: the simplest answer is that every system has bad-faith participation. The ones who want a home can get one, it's 'solved', except the fringe remains... the holdouts There's a lot of room for study here. It isn't logical, and yet. Perhaps we're "solving" the wrong thing.
      - constantcrying 2y ago